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  1. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    01 Aug '09 15:26
    To all of you who are eager to continue the controversy regarding Obama's birth. You have the right to do so, it may interest you to know however that President Obama's birth certificate was verified over and over by elections officals in the last 14 months. Sorry to burst your bubble, but lying to yourselves is not going to help your cause. President Obama will remain in office for at least 4 years (and possibly 8 if your beloved Christian G O P Senators and Govenors can't manage keep it in there pants). Have a nice day!
  2. 02 Aug '09 05:52
    the confirmation and reconfirmation doesn't answer any of the quesions posited in various threads.
  3. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    02 Aug '09 05:59
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    the confirmation and reconfirmation doesn't answer any of the quesions posited in various threads.
    If the quesions posited in various threads do not relate to the confirmation and reconfirmation of his birthdate and birthplace, then what is the purpose of those questions?
  4. 02 Aug '09 06:02
    Originally posted by bill718
    To all of you who are eager to continue the controversy regarding Obama's birth. You have the right to do so, it may interest you to know however that President Obama's birth certificate was verified over and over by elections officals in the last 14 months. Sorry to burst your bubble, but lying to yourselves is not going to help your cause. President Obama ...[text shortened]... istian G O P Senators and Govenors can't manage keep it in there pants). Have a nice day!
    no he wont.
  5. 02 Aug '09 06:16
    Originally posted by FMF
    If the quesions posited in various threads do not relate to the confirmation and reconfirmation of his birthdate and birthplace, then what is the purpose of those questions?
    so they are related. so what?

    and what is not evident about their purpose?
  6. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    02 Aug '09 06:27
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    so they are related. so what?

    and what is not evident about their purpose?
    There has been confirmation and reconfirmation. What is the purpose of parading your sour graped paranoia?
  7. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    02 Aug '09 06:29 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    what is not evident about their purpose?
    What is your personal Best Case Scenario? Obama was not elligible, he resigns, Biden steps up, Democrats tainted as fraudsters, Republicans in 2012?
  8. 02 Aug '09 06:52 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    There has been confirmation and reconfirmation. What is the purpose of parading your sour graped paranoia?
    the reconfirmation is the same as the confirmation, and they're both asking us to take the opinion of the person examining the document on faith. nothing that would permit third-party followup on any details.
  9. 02 Aug '09 07:06
    look at the oft-cited FactCheck article.

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    Born in the U.S.A.
    August 21, 2008
    Updated: November 1, 2008
    The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
    Summary
    In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

    We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

    Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

    ...
  10. 02 Aug '09 07:08
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    look at the oft-cited FactCheck article.

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    ...

    We beg to differ. [b]FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate.


    ...[/b]
    the remainder of their article makes clear that they didn't examine the original birth certificate at all. just the laser-printed short form.

    if they were really unbiased, they would be asking the Obama campaign to get the long form and let them and other reporters see it.
  11. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    02 Aug '09 07:13
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    the reconfirmation is the same as the confirmation, and they're both asking us to take the opinion of the person examining the document on faith. nothing that would permit third-party followup on any details.
    What follow up? The facts have been confirmed. And reconfirmed.

    You are not making sense at all. Obama's birthplace, for all intents and purposes, is not in serious dispute.
  12. 02 Aug '09 07:15
    or this little gem:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Commentary_and_criticism

    In response to the notion that Obama's grandparents might have planted a birth announcement in newspapers just so their grandson could some day be president, FactCheck suggested that "those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat."[17]

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

    Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.
  13. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    02 Aug '09 07:16
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    the remainder of their article makes clear that they didn't examine the [b]original birth certificate at all. just the laser-printed short form.[/b]
    Yes. And so his birthplace has been confirmed. What more needs to be discussed about this? You yourself admit that the laser-printed short form confirmed that the U.S. president was born in the U.S.A. End of story.
  14. 02 Aug '09 07:17
    Originally posted by FMF
    What follow up? The facts have been confirmed. And reconfirmed.

    You are not making sense at all. Obama's birthplace, for all intents and purposes, is not in serious dispute.
    Damm! that tingle went away! Musical avatars? I stare at a bucket of fish for months now your gonna switch up w/ every post?
    This is too much FMF
  15. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    02 Aug '09 07:20
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Damm! that tingle went away! Musical avatars? I stare at a bucket of fish for months now your gonna switch up w/ every post?
    This is too much FMF
    Mmmm. And you have the gall to accuse ME of stalking YOU? You're writing running commentary posts on my avatar?