02 Aug '09 07:24>
Originally posted by FMFEstrogen pills can help w/ that unwanted facial hair . Or, was that before the operation?
Mmmm. And you have the gall to accuse ME of stalking YOU? You're writing running commentary posts on my avatar?
Originally posted by zeeblebotI have some questions for you.
the remainder of their article makes clear that they didn't examine the [b]original birth certificate at all. just the laser-printed short form.
if they were really unbiased, they would be asking the Obama campaign to get the long form and let them and other reporters see it.[/b]
Originally posted by zeebleboti.e., wikipedia states "In response to the notion ...", but the people positing the notion are FactCheck themselves! (and USA-PT).
or this little gem:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Commentary_and_criticism
In response to the notion that Obama's grandparents might have planted a birth announcement in newspapers just so their grandson could some day be president, FactCheck suggested that "those who choose to go down that path should firs with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper1. if the short-form came under question, you'd expect those entities to dig further.
I have some questions for you.
1: What Obama provided is considered *proof of birthplace* for the US military, the FBI and the US State Department. Do you know something they don't?
2: Is it your position that the Republican appointed director of the Hawaii Health Department, and Hawaii Governor Linda Lindle (R), who endorsed John McCain, a ...[text shortened]... ck Hussein Obama" appeared in two local Hawaii newspapers right after Obama's birth in 1961?
Originally posted by FMFWhat was posted was not a birth certificate, but something that resembles a "Certification of Live Birth" or COLB, which, even if authentic, does not prove "natural born" U.S. citizenship. In Hawaii, a Certification of Live Birth is issued within a year of a child's birth to those who register a birth abroad or one that takes place outside a hospital. An authentice Certificate of Live Birth would be issued to someone born within the state of Hawaii.
What? You mean that you DON'T concede that the laser-printed short form showed that Barak Obama was born in the U.S.A.?
Originally posted by utherpendragonWait a minute. So you're saying Obama was born outside the U.S.A. and was not elligible to stand for president?
What was posted was not a birth certificate, but something that resembles a "Certification of Live Birth" or COLB, which, even if authentic, does not prove "natural born" U.S. citizenship. In Hawaii, a Certification of Live Birth is issued within a year of a child's birth to those who register a birth abroad or one that takes place outside a hospital. ...[text shortened]... ntice Certificate of Live Birth would be issued to someone born within the state of Hawaii.
Originally posted by zeeblebot1: Yes, but IF my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. The short form is NOT under question as it is accepted as proof of birthplace from every government entity that requires it. If THEY accept the short form, why don't you?
1. if the short-form came under question, you'd expect those entities to dig further.
2. who said they are lying? did anyone? the question is, why aren't they publishing the information on the original? how can it be verified if they don't?
3. if he wasn't born in the U.S., you'd expect whoever arranged that he appeared to be born in the U.S. to ...[text shortened]... also be capable of, willing to, and have a motive to also announce the fact, wouldn't you?
Originally posted by utherpendragonYour posts on this topic are nothing but noise. You, and the rest of your little band of right wing loonies LOST in 2006 and 2008. No amount of noise will change this. Deal with it.)😀
What was posted was not a birth certificate, but something that resembles a "Certification of Live Birth" or COLB, which, even if authentic, does not prove "natural born" U.S. citizenship. In Hawaii, a Certification of Live Birth is issued within a year of a child's birth to those who register a birth abroad or one that takes place outside a hospital. ...[text shortened]... ntice Certificate of Live Birth would be issued to someone born within the state of Hawaii.
Originally posted by utherpendragonhttp://2m.factcheck.org/2009/03/more-citizenship-quibbles/
What was posted was not a birth certificate, but something that resembles a "Certification of Live Birth" or COLB, which, even if authentic, does not prove "natural born" U.S. citizenship. In Hawaii, a Certification of Live Birth is issued within a year of a child's birth to those who register a birth abroad or one that takes place outside a hospital. ...[text shortened]... ntice Certificate of Live Birth would be issued to someone born within the state of Hawaii.
Originally posted by USArmyParatrooperI'll address this point in isolation. Over the last 18 years of travelling and living around the world, I have lost count of the number of American friends who made the pretty arduous trip (fat tummy and all) back to the U.S. to ensure that their babies were born in the U.S.A. And I would say that couples where one was a non-American did so without fail. I cannot think of a couple who did not make the ambiguity-busting effort.
Why would they want to make it appear as if he was born in the US? To what benefit?