@no1marauder saidWell, the SCOTUS turned down the attempt to delay the sentencing, but only by a 5-4 vote.
True, this SCOTUS is a particularly lawless court, but it is utterly unheard of for the Court to intervene in a sentencing after conviction in a State criminal case.
It is truly shocking how far the right wingers on the Court are willing to ignore all legal precedent and principles to do Trump's binding. This should have been an easy 9-0.
@no1marauder saidIt was law fare.
Judge Marchan did a fine job in pre-trial proceedings and at the trial in May where Trump was found guilty of 34 counts of a felony offense. But his post-trial actions have been filled with errors based on too little respect for the law and too much deference to the convicted criminal in the case.
Trump should have been sentenced in September. Marchan taking into accou ...[text shortened]... n sentence is not viable, then Trump should at least receive a hefty fine and a period of probation.
None of those convictions are consistent with precedent. Hillary Clinton misused campaign funds to create the Steele Dossier and was slapped on the wrist with a mere fine. When Trump did it what happened? He became a felon.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-2022-midterm-elections-business-elections-presidential-elections-5468774d18e8c46f81b55e9260b13e93
Why wasn't Hitlery Clinton found guilty of 34 counts of a felony offense?
The two tiered justice system is obvious. Stop defending it.
@Metal-Brain saidJust. Stop. Lying.
It was law fare.
None of those convictions are consistent with precedent. Hillary Clinton misused campaign funds to create the Steele Dossier and was slapped on the wrist with a mere fine. When Trump did it what happened? He became a felon.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-2022-midterm-elections-business-elections-presidential-elections-5468774d18e8c46f81 ...[text shortened]... ilty of 34 counts of a felony offense?
The two tiered justice system is obvious. Stop defending it.
@no1marauder saidJust like they ignored precedent with the Dobbs decision. These guys like denying history in pretending prior Justices had no idea what they were doing. Sounds like someone else we know. Alito and possibly Thomas should recuse themselves permanently.
Well, the SCOTUS turned down the attempt to delay the sentencing, but only by a 5-4 vote.
It is truly shocking how far the right wingers on the Court are willing to ignore all legal precedent and principles to do Trump's binding. This should have been an easy 9-0.
@Suzianne
The Clinton campaign hired Perkins Coie, which then hired Fusion GPS, a research and intelligence firm, to conduct opposition research on Republican candidate Donald Trump’s ties to Russia. But on FEC forms, the Clinton campaign classified the spending as legal services.
“By intentionally obscuring their payments through Perkins Coie and failing to publicly disclose the true purpose of those payments,” the campaign and DNC “were able to avoid publicly reporting on their statutorily required FEC disclosure forms the fact that they were paying Fusion GPS to perform opposition research on Trump with the intent of influencing the outcome of the 2016 presidential election,” the initial complaint had read.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-2022-midterm-elections-business-elections-presidential-elections-5468774d18e8c46f81b55e9260b13e93
No different than what Trump did as far as being unlawful. Trump found guilty on 34 counts, Hitlery got a mere fine. Obvious injustice.
@Metal-Brain saidOpposition research. Trump broke the law.
@Suzianne
The Clinton campaign hired Perkins Coie, which then hired Fusion GPS, a research and intelligence firm, to conduct opposition research on Republican candidate Donald Trump’s ties to Russia. But on FEC forms, the Clinton campaign classified the spending as legal services.
“By intentionally obscuring their payments through Perkins Coie and failing to publicly ...[text shortened]... far as being unlawful. Trump found guilty on 34 counts, Hitlery got a mere fine. Obvious injustice.
It is what it is.
@Suzianne saidIt matters what it was for?
Opposition research. Trump broke the law.
It is what it is.
Paying hush money does not make it more unlawful.
The Steele dossier was not really opposition research. Hitlery paid Fusion GPS to lie about Trump and use it to spy on Carter Page. That makes it far worse in fact. She used the lies to attempt a coup. An insurrection using law fare.
Remember when you thought digging up dirt on Hillary was a horrible outrage? Then you found out it was common opposition research.....from me. FOOL!
@no1marauder saidA fine just like Hitlery Clinton got for the same offense.
Anyway, none of these right wing posts are even relevant to the subject of this thread. All concern issues that will be dealt with on appeal.
The subject of the thread is given that Donald Trump has been convicted by a jury of 34 separate counts of a felony, what should his sentence be? Say the defendant in this case wasn't named Donald Trump, what would a reasonable expectation be for sentencing given the facts of the case and defendant's actions?
Why wasn't Michelle Obama at Carter's funeral? Barack was there having a good ol time talking to Trump. Look at the picture of Barack laughing while talking to Trump.
https://100percentfedup.com/heres-why-michelle-obama-did-not-attend-jimmy/
@Metal-Brain saidOf course it matters.
It matters what it was for?
Paying hush money does not make it more unlawful.
The Steele dossier was not really opposition research. Hitlery paid Fusion GPS to lie about Trump and use it to spy on Carter Page. That makes it far worse in fact. She used the lies to attempt a coup. An insurrection using law fare.
Remember when you thought digging up dirt on Hillary was a horrible outrage? Then you found out it was common opposition research.....from me. FOOL!
One shows normal campaigning.
Trump's insurrection was him trying to illegally hold onto power.
Big difference. Fool.
@Metal-Brain saidI think it's her business, not yours.
A fine just like Hitlery Clinton got for the same offense.
Why wasn't Michelle Obama at Carter's funeral? Barack was there having a good ol time talking to Trump. Look at the picture of Barack laughing while talking to Trump.
https://100percentfedup.com/heres-why-michelle-obama-did-not-attend-jimmy/
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@Metal-Brain saidI like actual justice.
So you like the two tiered justice.
You are not even hiding it.
Persecuting Hillary is not justice.
It's your fantasy.
@Suzianne saidThey love their millions in 'gifts' too much for that, they LOVE those vacations.
Just like they ignored precedent with the Dobbs decision. These guys like denying history in pretending prior Justices had no idea what they were doing. Sounds like someone else we know. Alito and possibly Thomas should recuse themselves permanently.
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@Metal-Brain saidSince we've covered this false whataboutism about a dozen times already, you're just doing what you always do - trolling with Trump apologia.
It was law fare.
None of those convictions are consistent with precedent. Hillary Clinton misused campaign funds to create the Steele Dossier and was slapped on the wrist with a mere fine. When Trump did it what happened? He became a felon.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-2022-midterm-elections-business-elections-presidential-elections-5468774d18e8c46f81 ...[text shortened]... ilty of 34 counts of a felony offense?
The two tiered justice system is obvious. Stop defending it.
But one more time:
If you had even bothered to read your own link, you'd see that HRC wasn't accused of any wrongdoing. Her campaign and the DNC settled a complaint regarding their filings with the FEC. That's normally what happens when the FEC determines that some filing was incorrect for technical reasons; the campaign (not the candidate) pays a civil fine.
By contrast, where individuals conspire to produce dozens of false business records to conceal their commission of a crime, they are usually criminally prosecuted.
Sure, that's "two tiered"; our legal system actually has many tiers depending on the wrongdoing alleged.
Hope that helps.