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  1. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    10 Jan '19 21:56
    @no1marauder said
    "It's funny how a big lie can make us all kids again"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=h1D2ynASqe4

    An episode of the 1950s western TV series 'Trackdown' featured a snake oil salesman named 'Trump' who promised to build a wall in order to prevent the end of the world.

    Rating

    True

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trackdown-trump-character-wall/

    "You're under arrest, Trump".
    I remember the series, though not that particular episode. Robert Culp was Hoby Gilman.
    The stories were supposedly adapted from the case files of the Texas Rangers.

    Maybe Walter Trump was Donald's uncle.
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    11 Jan '19 13:17
    @whodey said
    Well if it takes to long to search vehicles then shut it down!

    I have come to the realization that the US is at war with Mexico. Think about it, 300 people a day die from drug, 90% of which, come across the border. In one year, that is more people that died in Vietnam, or did you not care about them either?

    No, pretty much every American now knows someone personally wh ...[text shortened]... death penalty for anyone caught trying to smuggle drugs that are killing 300 people a day in the US.
    Why not build a dome over the entire United States? That would make about as much sense as "shutting down the US-Mexico border".

    Some facts:

    Approximately one million people cross that border every day as does about $1.4 billion of goods. Even this meathead knows that! https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/14/donald-trump/trump-says-1-million-legal-crossings-along-us-mexi/

    Moreover, the US border areas' economy is heavily dependent on inputs from Mexico; an example:

    Sergio Contreras, president of the Rio Grande Valley Partnership, a local business association, has accompanied Cornyn on the educational outings. He said border lawmakers “understand the realities [of the border] because they represent our region and walk our streets.”

    Many border lawmakers worry that building a wall would threaten local economies, force private landowners to cede their property and harm the environment, especially in areas such as Big Bend National Park in West Texas.

    Contreras, who will be at the Thursday roundtable, said even discussion of a wall has caused some Mexican investors to halt millions of dollars of investments in retail and residential real estate projects in the Rio Grande Valley. He argues a wall would discourage Mexican shoppers from crossing the border to Texas. Those shoppers make up between 30 to 45 percent of the area’s retail sales, according to a 2012 study from the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/10/border-lawmakers-spurn-trump-wall-proposal-1071707

    The very idea of "shutting down the border" is economic lunacy.
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    11 Jan '19 13:49
    @mghrn55 said
    2nd amendment kills about 300 people a day.
    Is that what you are talking about ?

    Let's cut the crap.
    To a lot of people, the wall will keep out the brown skinned people.
    The criminals will find a way in.

    Sandy Hook, Las Vegas massacre and numerous mass shootings.
    No national emergency !!

    Trump's tough guy image on the line ?
    National emergency !!

    Pretty much sums it up.
    Speaking of crap, that post was it.

    Gun deaths is no where close to drug deaths. Also, a lot of the gun violence can be traced to drug use. Just as Obama and Holder about the guns they illegally and secretly supplied the drug cartels while trying to take guns from law abiding citizens.

    Disgraceful!
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    11 Jan '19 13:51
    @no1marauder said
    Why not build a dome over the entire United States? That would make about as much sense as "shutting down the US-Mexico border".

    Some facts:

    Approximately one million people cross that border every day as does about $1.4 billion of goods. Even this meathead knows that! https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/14/donald-trump/trump-says-1-m ...[text shortened]... spurn-trump-wall-proposal-1071707

    The very idea of "shutting down the border" is economic lunacy.
    Some would say that saving some 300 American lives would "trump" the dollars and cents, but then, they would not be a politician, would they?
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    @metal-brain said
    They will dig under it.
    Yes, and they have in the past as well.

    Saying that a wall should not be built because it will not stop everyone is akin to saying in a war, why put in the mind field or put up tank barricades cuz they won't stop them?

    Really the only reason people are turned back right now is because of the walls that are there now.
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    @whodey said
    Some would say that saving some 300 American lives would "trump" the dollars and cents, but then, they would not be a politician, would they?
    The idea that building a wall on the US-Mexico border (or shutting down the border entirely as you have proposed) would seriously cut into deaths from drug overdoses in the US, never-mind eliminate them, is too ridiculous for any serious person to believe in.

    Yes at some point the highly unlikely possibility of saving X lives needs to be measured against the impoverishment of perhaps millions.
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    11 Jan '19 14:19
    @whodey said
    Yes, and they have in the past as well.

    Saying that a wall should not be built because it will not stop everyone is akin to saying in a war, why put in the mind field or put up tank barricades cuz they won't stop them?

    Really the only reason people are turned back right now is because of the walls that are there now.
    If Trump would give up on his wet dream of building a wall on the border (a lot of Texan land owners aren't too keen on the US government seizing their property for it), he could surely get significant funding for increased fencing. The Dems already offered $1.3 billion in FY 2019 alone.
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    @no1marauder said
    The idea that building a wall on the US-Mexico border (or shutting down the border entirely as you have proposed) would seriously cut into deaths from drug overdoses in the US, never-mind eliminate them, is too ridiculous for any serious person to believe in.

    Yes at some point the highly unlikely possibility of saving X lives needs to be measured against the impoverishment of perhaps millions.
    Naturally, I will instinctively believe everything you say as always.

    How is that Obamacare work'in for ya! It's so damn great, no need for a single payer system, right?

    Mwhahahaha!!!
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    11 Jan '19 14:35
    @whodey said
    Naturally, I will instinctively believe everything you say as always.

    How is that Obamacare work'in for ya! It's so damn great, no need for a single payer system, right?

    Mwhahahaha!!!
    I'm reasonably certain that during the ACA debate, I said I preferred a one payer system to the proposed bill.

    The ACA has given access to health insurance and health care to tens of millions of Americans who wouldn't have had that prior to its passage, so it has been "great" to them.
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    11 Jan '19 15:28
    @whodey said
    Yes, and they have in the past as well.

    Saying that a wall should not be built because it will not stop everyone is akin to saying in a war, why put in the mind field or put up tank barricades cuz they won't stop them?

    Really the only reason people are turned back right now is because of the walls that are there now.
    "mind field"

    We know, whodey, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

    Doesn't stop you, though.
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