15 Jun 09
Originally posted by scherzoDuh.
Netanyahu is a jerk.
The new proposed Palestinian "state" would have no military, no control over borders or airspace, regulated politics, acceptance of arbitrary Israeli invasion, and a forced recognition of the Likud. Looks like it's time for another puppet government!!
You make a proposal and then wait for a counteroffer. Then, hopefully, you meet somewhere in the middle and all parties get some of what they're after.
Do you really think that this is Netanyahu's final offer?
Do you really think he expects this offer to be accepted?
Did you really think he was going to unilaterally concede everything the Palestinians want at the outset?
Have you ever negotiated for anything?
15 Jun 09
Originally posted by sh76Netty: "I call on you, our Palestinian neighbors, and to the leadership of the Palestinian Authority: Let us begin peace negotiations immediately, without preconditions"
Duh.
You make a proposal and then wait for a counteroffer. Then, hopefully, you meet somewhere in the middle and all parties get some of what they're after.
Do you really think that this is Netanyahu's final offer?
Do you really think he expects this offer to be accepted?
Did you really think he was going to unilaterally concede everything the Palestinians want at the outset?
Have you ever negotiated for anything?
Does this mean he'd meet with the leadership of Hamas?
15 Jun 09
Originally posted by scherzoI vote Howdy Doody for President.
Netanyahu is a jerk.
The new proposed Palestinian "state" would have no military, no control over borders or airspace, regulated politics, acceptance of arbitrary Israeli invasion, and a forced recognition of the Likud. Looks like it's time for another puppet government!!
GRANNY.
15 Jun 09
Originally posted by no1marauderProbably not immediately.
Netty: "I call on you, our Palestinian neighbors, and to the leadership of the Palestinian Authority: Let us begin peace negotiations immediately, without preconditions"
Does this mean he'd meet with the leadership of Hamas?
But in the long run, it's probably inevitable. For better or for worse, Hamas is a factor and they can't be ignored forever. Besides, if a deal could be struck with Hamas, it would have more credibility than one struck while bypassing them. (Only Nixon could go to China)
My guess is that the Israeli government, whether government by a left or right coalition, will eventually meet with Hamas, but they will want some doctrinal concessions from them in exchange (e.g., something like Hamas agreeing that it doesn't necessarily need Israel to be wiped out).
Hamas' initial stance was that Israel has to be wiped out. Now they're at "Well, we can have peace for now if they give us everything we ask for in terms of a state and we'll wait until next generation to wipe them out."
Netanyahu's initial stance was "no Palestinian state for now." Now it's, "Well, okay, yes Pal. state, but with no military and in many ways, at our mercy."
Maybe they meet in the middle.
It's a negotiation process. That's how negotiations work.
15 Jun 09
Originally posted by no1marauderHamas has been willing to meet with Israeli leaders for a long time. I don't think it's what he means. I think he means more of the same running-around-acting-like-you're-doing-something with Fatah.
Netty: "I call on you, our Palestinian neighbors, and to the leadership of the Palestinian Authority: Let us begin peace negotiations immediately, without preconditions"
Does this mean he'd meet with the leadership of Hamas?
15 Jun 09
Originally posted by scherzoCalling him a jerk won't make the situation better.
Netanyahu is a jerk.
The new proposed Palestinian "state" would have no military, no control over borders or airspace, regulated politics, acceptance of arbitrary Israeli invasion, and a forced recognition of the Likud. Looks like it's time for another puppet government!!
Surely they'll come to terms, just wait and see what happens before judging the whole thing.
15 Jun 09
Originally posted by zeeblebotIf by "take advantage of" you mean "start negotiations" and by "perceived weakness in Obama" you mean "act in what he perceives as the best interests of his county," then I'm sure the answer is yes.
is Netanyahu trying to take advantage of perceived weakness in Obama?