03 Apr 12
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/no-right-to-snoop-on-our-private-conversations-779699
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2124260/Promises-betrayed-stealthy-slide-Big-Brother-Britain.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/02/monitoring-communications-shrivelling-domain-privacy
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-articles/leading-article-a-dangerous-erosion-of-individual-liberty-7609030.html
The U.K.'s two governing ["Right + Left"] coalition parties both made pre-election promises to "roll back the surveillance state". Right wing papers have come out against it. Left wing papers have come out against it. Who wants it? Who's pushing for it? Who will win votes, and how, from the way this issue plays out?
03 Apr 12
Originally posted by FMFI don't want it. I can only inagine idiot readers of 'Sun', Express', and ' Mail' might like it wrongly assuming that it is aimed at islamic terrorists and not themselves.
[i]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/no-right-to-snoop-on-our-private-conversations-779699
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2124260/Promises-betrayed-stealthy-slide-Big-Brother-Britain.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/02/monitoring-communications-shrivelling-domain-privacy
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-art ...[text shortened]... Who's pushing for it? Who will win votes, and how, from the way this issue plays out?[/b]
However this does not explain the govts desire for it as the above electorate vote for them anyway. Perhaps govts have always wanted this power and feel that now is the best oppurtunity.
03 Apr 12
Originally posted by kevcvs57The Daily Mail appears to be against it. What about The Sun and The Express? Have they broken rank with [what appears to be] a consensus among U.K. dailies?
I don't want it. I can only inagine idiot readers of 'Sun', Express', and ' Mail' might like it wrongly assuming that it is aimed at islamic terrorists and not themselves.
However this does not explain the govts desire for it as the above electorate vote for them anyway. Perhaps govts have always wanted this power and feel that now is the best oppurtunity.
03 Apr 12
Originally posted by FMFI was maybe generalising a bit, to be fair the daily mail is more a tory back benchers paper and one of them was the first to condemn the plan. I believe a coalition spokesman for the legislation posted an article in the Sun today.
The Daily Mail appears to be against it. What about The Sun and The Express? Have they broken rank with [what appears to be] a consensus among U.K. dailies?
I still feel that usual suspects when it comes to bashing welfare cheats and johnny foreigner will come out for the plan.
03 Apr 12
Originally posted by FMFThere is no Left or Right in Britain only the vested interests and the corperate interests.
[i]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/no-right-to-snoop-on-our-private-conversations-779699
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2124260/Promises-betrayed-stealthy-slide-Big-Brother-Britain.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/02/monitoring-communications-shrivelling-domain-privacy
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-art ...[text shortened]... Who's pushing for it? Who will win votes, and how, from the way this issue plays out?[/b]
The "Old Boy's" still run things.... be in no doubt.
They will get this new intrusion passed.
03 Apr 12
Originally posted by skipper2666They may get it passed but if the electorate make it an issue it will not be long before one sector of the 'old boys' breaks ranks and offers to repeal it if there is an electoral advantage.
There is no Left or Right in Britain only the vested interests and the corperate interests.
The "Old Boy's" still run things.... be in no doubt.
They will get this new intrusion passed.
I think fmf was asking who are the vested interests that would gain from this legislation. I am sure the labour party will be waiting to gauge the electorates reaction to it.
07 Apr 12
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Originally posted by FMFIn Britain as in America there are huge interests seeking to extend the surveillance industry.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/no-right-to-snoop-on-our-private-conversations-779699
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2124260/Promises-betrayed-stealthy-slide-Big-Brother-Britain.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/apr/02/monitoring-communications-shrivelling-domain-privacy
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/leading-art Who's pushing for it? Who will win votes, and how, from the way this issue plays out?[/b]
China has shown what might be possible with this technology.
It will be interesting to see if the British are more protective of their civil rights than the Americans have been. I am not so sure but there is at least one (probably more) campaign fighthing it. http://www.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns
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08 Apr 12
Originally posted by finneganhttp://www.no2id.net/
In Britain as in America there are huge interests seeking to extend the surveillance industry.
China has shown what might be possible with this technology.
It will be interesting to see if the British are more protective of their civil rights than the Americans have been. I am not so sure but there is at least one (probably more) campaign fighthing it. http://www.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns
No2ID is also campaigning on this issue.
And in answer to the op.
I don't want it. Nobody in my family wants it. And nobody I know (and have asked) wants it.
The government wants it... And some gullible souls who buy their bull might also want it.