U.S. Appeals Court finds all Trump Tariffs' Illegal!

@Earl-of-Trumps said
we can assume they won't be spending any of that on us, eh>?

Feel free to assume anything you want.
I’m going to assume manufacturing and jobs will be brought back to America

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-manufacturing-domestic-tariffs/

@Mott-The-Hoople said
😂 it’s been that way since 1861

And not another word about the national debt ok?

The tariffs even at the most optimistic revenue estimates won't cover anywhere the $4 trillion the recent tax cuts will cost (that why it raised the debt ceiling by $5 trillion: https://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/family-finance/articles/trumps-one-big-beautiful-bill-just-raised-the-debt-ceiling-by-5-trillion-heres-why-that-matters-to-you). They'll just shift some of the cost to average consumers away from upper income individuals who will primarily benefit from the tax cut.

@no1marauder said
The tariffs even at the most optimistic revenue estimates won't cover anywhere the $4 trillion the recent tax cuts will cost (that why it raised the debt ceiling by $5 trillion: https://money.usnews.com/money/personal-finance/family-finance/articles/trumps-one-big-beautiful-bill-just-raised-the-debt-ceiling-by-5-trillion-heres-why-that-matters-to-you). They'll just shift ...[text shortened]... to average consumers away from upper income individuals who will primarily benefit from the tax cut.

You cant debate using projections, deal with facts. You can find a liberal number cruncher that makes anything look bad

@Mott-The-Hoople said
You cant debate using projections, deal with facts. You can find a liberal number cruncher that makes anything look bad

Did "liberals" insist the Trump tax bill raise the debt ceiling by $5 trillion?

@no1marauder said
Did "liberals" insist the Trump tax bill raise the debt ceiling by $5 trillion?

In 2023 liberals suspended the debt ceiling until Jan 2025. Giving Trump the problem of their spending. Of course the ceiling had to be raised, democrats spent all the money.

Democrats were giving money away AFTER the election

https://reason.com/2025/03/13/biden-rushed-billions-out-before-trump-took-office/

@Mott-The-Hoople said
Feel free to assume anything you want.
I’m going to assume manufacturing and jobs will be brought back to America

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-manufacturing-domestic-tariffs/

yes - manufacturing less desirable goods than what we were used to getting imported to us.
we also *lose* jobs too, when countries retaliate by putting tariffs on our goods.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
In 2023 liberals suspended the debt ceiling until Jan 2025. Giving Trump the problem of their spending. Of course the ceiling had to be raised, democrats spent all the money.

Democrats were giving money away AFTER the election

https://reason.com/2025/03/13/biden-rushed-billions-out-before-trump-took-office/

What BS. Biden spent money that Congress appropriated which is what you're supposed to do according to the law - something that Trump doesn't understand.

@Earl-of-Trumps said
yes - manufacturing less desirable goods than what we were used to getting imported to us.
we also *lose* jobs too, when countries retaliate by putting tariffs on our goods.

Major drug companies, auto manufacturer's, computer chip manufacturers etc…WTH hell are you talking about less desirable?

@no1marauder said
What BS. Biden spent money that Congress appropriated which is what you're supposed to do according to the law - something that Trump doesn't understand.

Handing out 93 billion in 76 days is irresponsible …but you dont care as long as democrats support you freaks

@Mott-The-Hoople said
Major drug companies, auto manufacturer's, computer chip manufacturers etc…WTH hell are you talking about less desirable?

here's a stat for you from AI:
In 2022, the U.S. imported approximately $436.6 billion in goods from Canada

I am sure leading the way is lumber. But generally speaking, the Canadian goods are obviously,
in some cases, to be a better "value" (price and quality)

@Mott-The-Hoople said
😂 it’s been that way since 1861

And not another word about the national debt ok?

No, the income tax didn't target consumers. It focused on people who hoarded wealth and did not spend it.

@Mott-The-Hoople said
Handing out 93 billion in 76 days is irresponsible …but you dont care as long as democrats support you freaks

Those were loans to US businesses to increase production and were already authorized by Congress. And your own article says it was a lot less then you claim:

""Under President Biden, the office has announced roughly $54 billion in loans or loan guarantees," The New York Times wrote on December 6, 2024. "Of that, $19 billion was announced in the weeks after the election"

You talk about tariffs helping US manufacturing (a dubious premise in today's interconnected world economy) yet oppose projects that would clearly create jobs here. From your link:

"In November 2024, just weeks after the election, the LPO announced "a direct loan of up to $6.57 billion" that would allow Rivian, a luxury electric vehicle (E.V.) manufacturer, to finish construction on its new factory in Georgia—even though that state's government previously awarded the company tax credits and incentives worth as much as $1.5 billion. Also in November, the LPO announced a loan guarantee of up to $4.9 billion for the Grain Belt Express Phase 1, a high-capacity network of power lines running from Kansas to Missouri.

In a single week in December, the LPO announced a $9.63 billion loan for BlueOval SK to build three Ford Motor Co. E.V. and E.V. battery plants in Tennessee and Kentucky; a $1.25 billion loan for EVgo to expand its network of public E.V. chargers;
a $1.45 billion loan to Qcells, a South Korean manufacturer building a solar panel factory in Georgia; a $7.54 billion loan to a subsidiary of Stellantis (formerly Fiat Chrysler) building an E.V. battery factory in Indiana; a $2.5 billion loan guarantee to We Energies in Wisconsin for "a portfolio of individual projects"; and a loan guarantee of up to $15 billion to Pacific Gas & Electric Company (PG&E), the utility that provides gas and electricity to much of California, to modernize the state's power grid."

Those all seem like pretty worthy projects well within the funding approved by the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act (https://www.energy.gov/lpo/inflation-reduction-act-2022). I get that Reason, a libertarian website with laissez faire economic views wouldn't like that spending but you're being inconsistent to laud tariffs as a protective measures for US companies while criticizing other government measures to encourage private investment at public expense.

@Earl-of-Trumps said
here's a stat for you from AI:
In 2022, the U.S. imported approximately $436.6 billion in goods from Canada

I am sure leading the way is lumber. But generally speaking, the Canadian goods are obviously,
in some cases, to be a better "value" (price and quality)

At what costs to US businesses?

Canada was/is dumping lumber, govt subsidizing Canadian lumber to price out US producers.

Why didn’t you complain when biden doubled the tariffs on Canadian lumber in 2021?

@no1marauder said
Those were loans to US businesses to increase production and were already authorized by Congress. And your own article says it was a lot less then you claim:

""Under President Biden, the office has announced roughly $54 billion in loans or loan guarantees," The New York Times wrote on December 6, 2024. "Of that, $19 billion was announced in the weeks after the election ...[text shortened]... anies while criticizing other government measures to encourage private investment at public expense.

Name me one business that got money starting with obama that was supposed to help climate change, that was successful.

That is a democrat scheme to syphon of money to line their own pockets. The majority went bankrupt shortly after receiving the money.

Be an ignorant fool all you want, don’t try to use their underhandedness as a noble cause.

@no1marauder said
Those were loans to US businesses to increase production and were already authorized by Congress. And your own article says it was a lot less then you claim:

""Under President Biden, the office has announced roughly $54 billion in loans or loan guarantees," The New York Times wrote on December 6, 2024. "Of that, $19 billion was announced in the weeks after the election ...[text shortened]... anies while criticizing other government measures to encourage private investment at public expense.

Checked on one…now to check others

“Shares of Rivian Automotive fell 4% intraday Friday and have lost about 15% over the past year.”


https://www.investopedia.com/rivian-automotive-stock-falls-as-ev-maker-s-delivery-estimates-come-up-short-11684035