26 Jan 21
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-26/un-chief-urges-global-action-to-counter-rise-of-neo-nazism/13093004
"United Nations (UN) secretary-general Antonio Guterres has urged coordinated global action to build an alliance against the growth and spread of neo-Nazism and white supremacy and the resurgence of xenophobia, anti-Semitism, and hate speech."
Fascism is creeping into many places as the world forgets the Holocaust.
As George Santayana said: those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
26 Jan 21
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@kewpie saidHe says global but he sounds as though he’s focused on ‘’Western’ manifestations of fascism and racial supremacy. Which as a westerner I’m ok with because that’s the manifestation of fascism that’s going to make my life less than worth living. But I worry he’s not really got his eye on the ‘Global’ ball.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-26/un-chief-urges-global-action-to-counter-rise-of-neo-nazism/13093004
"United Nations (UN) secretary-general Antonio Guterres has urged coordinated global action to build an alliance against the growth and spread of neo-Nazism and white supremacy and the resurgence of xenophobia, anti-Semitism, and hate speech."
Fascism is creeping in ...[text shortened]... Holocaust.
As George Santayana said: those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
@kewpie saidI’m not convinced the rise of new-nazism is due to people forgetting the Holocaust, although as generations are born and history progresses mankind’s atrocities further back, I’m sure it is a factor.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-26/un-chief-urges-global-action-to-counter-rise-of-neo-nazism/13093004
"United Nations (UN) secretary-general Antonio Guterres has urged coordinated global action to build an alliance against the growth and spread of neo-Nazism and white supremacy and the resurgence of xenophobia, anti-Semitism, and hate speech."
Fascism is creeping in ...[text shortened]... Holocaust.
As George Santayana said: those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
The biggest factor in my humble opinion is the erosion of democracy, and/or the sense of its erosion, with the subsequent feelings of powerlessness and disenfranchisement by sections of the populace. Trump’s ideology and behaviour is a class extreme example, but I also blame the general rise in political globalism and the growth in power of apparently benign institutions such as the European Union, at least and especially since the signing of the Maastricht Treaty.
The attempt to overturn the Brexit referendum was another example and if it had been successful would have driven the growth of neo-nazism and anarchy in the UK for a certainty. I know, it’s my hobby horse, but I think I have valid point.
Political power must remain as local as possible to the voting masses.
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26 Jan 21
@kewpie saidWhere exactly are these white supremacist terror cells located...How many deaths from attacks are we talking about in the last year?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-26/un-chief-urges-global-action-to-counter-rise-of-neo-nazism/13093004
"United Nations (UN) secretary-general Antonio Guterres has urged coordinated global action to build an alliance against the growth and spread of neo-Nazism and white supremacy and the resurgence of xenophobia, anti-Semitism, and hate speech."
Fascism is creeping in ...[text shortened]... Holocaust.
As George Santayana said: those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
26 Jan 21
@divegeester saidI, actually agree with you to a large extent.
I’m not convinced the rise of new-nazism is due to people forgetting the Holocaust, although as generations are born and history progresses mankind’s atrocities further back, I’m sure it is a factor.
The biggest factor in my humble opinion is the erosion of democracy, and/or the sense of its erosion, with the subsequent feelings of powerlessness and disenfranchisement ...[text shortened]... cal power must remain as local as possible to the voting masses.
(Apologies for the edits, typos)
Poverty, fear and the feeling of not being able to influence decision making pushes people towards trenches. And that leads to polarisation.
Add to this the flames of groups pressurising people into resistance (against politics, culture, etc.) and you have a nasty recipe for escalation.
And I believe that’s what we’re seeing.
26 Jan 21
@joe-shmo saidMany alt-right groups in the US would fall in the category of fascist / extreme right.
Where exactly are these white supremacist terror cells located...How many deaths from attacks are we talking about in the last year?
The demonstrations in the last couple of days in the Netherlands are fuelled by fascist / extreme right political parties and action groups.
Anti-semitism, anti-Islam, anti-foreigner and anti-socialist and anti-journalist propaganda have gone main stream. With even political parties advancing that message.
And when people are cornered and that’s the message they’re receiving, the step from words and thoughts to direct action becomes ever smaller.
26 Jan 21
@Kewpie - As George Santayana said: those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Absolutely. Look at all the people in the US - of all countries, that are dedicated Marxists and communists. Not only does history teach them nothing, the miserable existence of NKoreans, Cubans, and other communist nations means nothing as well.
sorta makes one wonder, eh?
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@shavixmir saidSo basically there are atleast 74 million facsist/extreme right Americans (Trump voters like myself ). And you wish to eradicate us from the earth before WE go all Hitler-ish?
Many alt-right groups in the US would fall in the category of fascist / extreme right.
The demonstrations in the last couple of days in the Netherlands are fuelled by fascist / extreme right political parties and action groups.
Anti-semitism, anti-Islam, anti-foreigner and anti-socialist and anti-journalist propaganda have gone main stream. With even political parties ...[text shortened]... e message they’re receiving, the step from words and thoughts to direct action becomes ever smaller.
Sounds completely reasonable! Have fun on your witch hunt! I really like the method of tying rocks to peoples feet and tossing them in the river to determine whether or not we are white supremacist's …. float or sink...which will it be!
26 Jan 21
@joe-shmo saidDon’t be absurd.
So basically there are atleast 74 million facsist/extreme right Americans (Trump voters like myself ). And you wish to eradicate us from the earth before WE go all Hitler-ish?
Sounds completely reasonable! Have fun on your witch hunt! I really like the method of tying rocks to peoples feet and tossing them in the river to determine whether or not we are white supremacist's …. float or sink...which will it be!
Republicans have nothing to do with fascism.
If you can’t comprehend a post, ask a question instead of jumping to idiotic conclusions.
26 Jan 21
@kewpie saidNot coincidentally, this coincides with a rise in nationalism and withdrawal from multinational conventions and treaties.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-26/un-chief-urges-global-action-to-counter-rise-of-neo-nazism/13093004
"United Nations (UN) secretary-general Antonio Guterres has urged coordinated global action to build an alliance against the growth and spread of neo-Nazism and white supremacy and the resurgence of xenophobia, anti-Semitism, and hate speech."
Fascism is creeping in ...[text shortened]... Holocaust.
As George Santayana said: those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
27 Jan 21
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@divegeester saidI think this is a factor - with, I'd say, particular emphasis on the fact that voters feel their democratic decisions, made on a national basis, are unable to affect a globalised economy. Because of that, politics has been reduced to debates about values, with the consequent polarisation that makes it more likely for voters to gravitate to the extremes.
The biggest factor in my humble opinion is the erosion of democracy, and/or the sense of its erosion, with the subsequent feelings of powerlessness and disenfranchisement by sections of the populace.
Political power must remain as local as possible to the voting masses.
The other issue I think is relevant is the increasing personalisation of politics. Fascism tends to pivot around a strong leader, to the extent that even those fascist regimes that were not militarily defeated (Spain and Portugal) did not long survive their leaders. The tendency in democratic politics, particularly but not exclusively in the English-speaking world and starting in the era of Clinton and Blair, towards charismatic, photogenic leaders is therefore much to be deplored. Of course, not all such charismatic leaders are fascists. But once people start voting for a politician rather than a party, I think they're on the slippery slope.