@Arkturos saidThese "safe spaces" would not be safe and you damned well KNOW this.
Couldn't those be a practical accommodation to the reality of our more gender-fluid times?
Meaning to have those in addition to safe spaces for guys and gals who are more toward each end of the spectrum.
Intentional misinterpretation in three, two, one . . .
But YOU want your own "safe space". Typically selfish. Hypocrite.
@Arkturos saidShouldn’t we focus on keeping women safe from predatory and violent straight cis males first. This obsession with the trans issue is like freaking out about a spilled drink on the titanic
Couldn't those be a practical accommodation to the reality of our more gender-fluid times?
Meaning to have those in addition to safe spaces for guys and gals who are more toward each end of the spectrum.
Intentional misinterpretation in three, two, one . . .
@Arkturos saidI went to the University of Calif. Santa Cruz in the 1970s. We had coed dorms; there was only one multiple-shower-stalls multiple-toilet-stalls facility on each floor. Guys and gals shared. At any given time, you could walk in and there'd be both guys shaving at the mirrors and gals putting on their makeup. Coed facilities was a non-issue, and nobody complained.
Couldn't those be a practical accommodation to the reality of our more gender-fluid times?
Meaning to have those in addition to safe spaces for guys and gals who are more toward each end of the spectrum.
Intentional misinterpretation in three, two, one . . .
For most of the last 800,000 years of human evolution, everyone slept, ate, and copulated in the same cave (or tipi), and crapped into the same latrine. America needs to stop obsessing about toilets.
@moonbus saidAhhhh, the banana slug mascot. Good times.
I went to the University of Calif. Santa Cruz in the 1970s. We had coed dorms; there was only one multiple-shower-stalls multiple-toilet-stalls facility on each floor. Guys and gals shared. At any given time, you could walk in and there'd be both guys shaving at the mirrors and gals putting on their makeup. Coed facilities was a non-issue, and nobody complained.
For most o ...[text shortened]... me cave (or tipi), and crapped into the same latrine. America needs to stop obsessing about toilets.
@Suzianne saidUCSC was visited by then-Governor Ronald Reagan. The setting of the 'City on a Hill' overlooking Monterrey Bay is spectacular, and the separate semi-autonomous colleges (Oxbridge style) are nestled in amongst old stands of redwoods . Reagan's commentary was, 'when you've seen one redwood, you've seen 'em all.' As you can imagine, he did not go down well with the professors or students.
Ahhhh, the banana slug mascot. Good times.
There was a war going on at that time, and student anti-war protesters at UC Berkeley were engaged in running street battles with police. I had a nutty uncle (think Jerry Lewis) who was living across the street from The People's Park (famous or infamous, depending in yer pov), I sometimes visited him and witnessed some of the protests. The graffiti on the walls of UCB read: Resist authority! Whereas, at UCSC, we were studying chemistry of fermentation (i.e., wine making!), reading Hannah Arendt (The Banality of Evil, etc.), and the graffiti on the walls read: ignore authority.
Good times, yes.
All our new public-place toilet facilities are single all-abilities, some with showers or changing tables. One at the local park has a child-size toilet beside the standard one, complete with toilet-roll dispenser and kid-size washbasin.
Private business can build barrack-style facilities for adult staff, but not for the customers and general public. Costs a bit more to do singles, but they stay cleaner because people treat them like their home facilities.
@moonbus saidMy friend at the U. of Chicago in the 80's said the problem in dorms with coed facilities was that STD rates went through the roof!
I went to the University of Calif. Santa Cruz in the 1970s. We had coed dorms; there was only one multiple-shower-stalls multiple-toilet-stalls facility on each floor. Guys and gals shared. At any given time, you could walk in and there'd be both guys shaving at the mirrors and gals putting on their makeup. Coed facilities was a non-issue, and nobody complained.
For most o ...[text shortened]... me cave (or tipi), and crapped into the same latrine. America needs to stop obsessing about toilets.
But he was on his way to becoming a staunch conservative, so maybe he exaggerated. 😆
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@Of-Ants-and-Imps saidHardly the same thing as unisex showers and locker rooms.
I call the family restrooms, with diaper-changing tables, and handicap accommodations. Peace.
Also, the bathrooms for both male/female are single-use facilities with a lock on the door. You don't see men and women in them at the same time.
@spruce112358 saidMight have been Page Mill Rd., home to Joan Baez and the original Hewlett-Packard facility. Ben Lomond and China Grade have a brutal drop down into Santa Cruz, but better down than up!
I cycled from Sunnyvale to Santa Cruz once, I guess it was up Mountain Charlie road.
About froze my a$$ off coming down the far side of the ridge in the fog. 😆
Went to watch an ultimate frisbee tournament. I got a lift back, though.
UCSC had a fine fencing team, in my day. Frisbee tourney sounds about right though. We weren't big on football. I had surfers for roommates; sand in the bath tub is paar for the course.
@Kewpie saidIndeed! This is what comes from respecting your citizens.
All our new public-place toilet facilities are single all-abilities, some with showers or changing tables. One at the local park has a child-size toilet beside the standard one, complete with toilet-roll dispenser and kid-size washbasin.
Private business can build barrack-style facilities for adult staff, but not for the customers and general public. Costs a bit more to do singles, but they stay cleaner because people treat them like their home facilities.
Here, any public space is created with the initial thought that the citizenry will trash it.
So that's why we can't have nice things.
@moonbus saidSee, when I went to U of A in the '90s, we had coed dorms, but we solved the 'ick' factor by having guys on the odd floors and gals on the even floors. We were supposed to stay on our own floors for bathroom activities, but there were always the more adventurous students always trying to use the other facilities. I don't remember many trans students back then. We tended to mind our own business about such things back then, and they certainly didn't want the attention. But it was serious business back then. Arizona was a blood-red state.
I went to the University of Calif. Santa Cruz in the 1970s. We had coed dorms; there was only one multiple-shower-stalls multiple-toilet-stalls facility on each floor. Guys and gals shared. At any given time, you could walk in and there'd be both guys shaving at the mirrors and gals putting on their makeup. Coed facilities was a non-issue, and nobody complained.
For most o ...[text shortened]... me cave (or tipi), and crapped into the same latrine. America needs to stop obsessing about toilets.
I only had to deal with it for my first semester, as I moved into a sorority house after that.