Go back
Unvaxxed Patient DENIED Kidney Transplant

Unvaxxed Patient DENIED Kidney Transplant

Debates


First do no harm, unless......



Mandates are killing people.


"In almost all situations, transplant recipients and living donors at UCHealth are now required to be vaccinated against COVID-19 in addition to meeting other health requirements and receiving additional vaccinations."

So, it’s not just covid vaccinations both the giver and the receiver need to have.


Why would you waste a scarce health resource (a healthy kidney) on a patient who doesn't care about risking the lives and families of surgery workers? Let's get real here. If that patient gets Covid that precious kidney's been completely wasted.


@metal-brain said
First do no harm, unless......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwtD1-ESmbI

Mandates are killing people.
I’m a post mortem organ donor but I’m going to stipulate that no adults who aren’t vaccinated without good reason get any of my junk.


I suppose anyone who smoked should not get a lung transplant.


@eladar said
I suppose anyone who smoked should not get a lung transplant.
Not the same thing AT ALL.


@suzianne said
Not the same thing AT ALL.
Really? Smoking causes cancer. Their behavior caused the cancer. Why waste lungs on people who will just die due to smoking?

I thought the argument was that we should not waste organs on people who intentionally endanger their lives.


Should a person who has already had covid be denied a kidney?

If I needed the kidney, then I would intentionally catch covid. Die, I would die anyhow without a new kidney.


@metal-brain said
First do no harm, unless......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwtD1-ESmbI

Mandates are killing people.
people are denied transplants where there is a risk to throw the organ away. Alcoholics, drug addicts, etc. Being unvaxxed means you don't care about your health and you are risking the organ.

so take your indignation and stick it somewhere dark. Where the sun doesn't shine specifically


@zahlanzi said
people are denied transplants where there is a risk to throw the organ away. Alcoholics, drug addicts, etc. Being unvaxxed means you don't care about your health and you are risking the organ.

so take your indignation and stick it somewhere dark. Where the sun doesn't shine specifically
Smokers get lung transplants.


Diabetics get kidney transplants

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4484999/

1 edit

@eladar said
Smokers get lung transplants.
they shouldn't.
I can concede they should be put at the very least at the end of the list.

1 edit

@Zahlanzi

Just pointing out the abuse one group gets while bot others.

Destroy your kidney due to your sweet tooth, get s new kidney.

Get sick with covid, survive and have natural immunity but not vaxxed, then you are refused a kidney. You can die.


@eladar said
@Zahlanzi

Just pointing out the abuse one group gets while bot others.

Destroy your kidney due to your sweet tooth, get s new kidney.

Get sick with covid, survive and have natural immunity but not vaxxed, then you are refused a kidney.
"Just pointing out the abuse one group gets while bot others."
Life is unfair.
In this case however unvaccinated (through a personal ignorant decision) people deserve the abuse.
"Destroy your kidney due to your sweet tooth, get s new kidney."
The system isn't perfect.
If you get a disease through a personal lifestyle choice and you don't convince the transplant committee you changed your lifestyle, you shouldn't get a transplant before someone who made all the right choices and is unlucky.
If you don't get vaccinated it's your personal choice.

"Get sick with covid, survive and have natural immunity but not vaxxed,"
lmmunity doesn't last forever
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination


@eladar said
@Zahlanzi

Just pointing out the abuse one group gets while bot others.

Destroy your kidney due to your sweet tooth, get s new kidney.

Get sick with covid, survive and have natural immunity but not vaxxed, then you are refused a kidney. You can die.
also what exactly causes diabetes is unclear. How are you going too deny transplants to patients with diabetes based on previous lifestyles when you have no idea what lifestyle choice caused that diabetes. (it can also be environmental and/or genetic)

Cookies help us deliver our Services. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Learn More.