US Adding 3rd Gender To Passports

@eladar said
Politicians do not lie?

Got me there.

@vivify said
I don't know why gender even needs to be added to passports in the first place.

Identification. They put height and eye color and date of birth on your driver's license. I could work out or dye my hair and look younger. I could wear contacts that make my eyes blue. I could wear heels and look 2 inches taller. So, they put multiple identifying characteristics on ID's so as to make them harder to pass for someone else.

Gender is an excellent tough-to-fake characteristic. It's not impossible for me to pass for a woman, but it would be darn tootin' tough.

To eliminate this layer of security in identification documents for political purposes is inane.

@vivify said
That's why they have pictures. Why add gender?

Why have height and eye color and date of birth?

@sh76 said
Identification. They put height and eye color and date of birth on your driver's license. I could work out or dye my hair and look younger. I could wear contacts that make my eyes blue. I could wear heels and look 2 inches taller. So, they put multiple identifying characteristics on ID's so as to make them harder to pass for someone else.

Gender is an excellent tough-to-fake ...[text shortened]...

To eliminate this layer of security in identification documents for political purposes is inane.

If a passenger's gender can't be determined by looking at them, what then? Are they required to strip and show gender-specific body parts?

Since there's nothing you can do if you can't tell someone's gender, there's no reason to add it.

@vivify said
If a passenger's gender can't be determined by looking at them, what then? Are they required to strip and show gender-specific body parts?

Since there's nothing you can do if you can't tell someone's gender, there's no reason to add it.

Oh God why does everything have to be so complicated for you people?
Check male or female and stop crying about it. Or check "other" if you want, who cares?
Jebus, the simplest stuff that has been around FOREVER is somehow too much for you libtards to bear.

@vivify said
If a passenger's gender can't be determined by looking at them, what then? Are they required to strip and show gender-specific body parts?

Since there's nothing you can do if you can't tell someone's gender, there's no reason to add it.

As I said already, it's doesn't have to be 100% fool-proof to be usable. Even if gender is only 99% determinable by a glance (it's probably higher, but let's say), it's still useful in combination with other identifying characteristics.

@sh76 said
As I said already, it's doesn't have to be 100% fool-proof to be usable. Even if gender is only 99% determinable by a glance (it's probably higher, but let's say), it's still useful in combination with other identifying characteristics.

I agree with you, but not when it comes to passports. For medical records, police records, birth records etc., gender is a useful identifier. But to fly a plane? What use does it serve?

Usually, you can tell gender just by looking at someone; you need to include it. But if you can't tell someone's gender, what use will having it on a passport be? You can't have the person remove their clothes to prove what sex they are. I can't think of an instance when knowing or not knowing someone's gender will be useful for a passport, unless they're boarding a plane (or bus, train, etc.) where only one gender is allowed.

Don't get me wrong, it's not like including gender on a passport is that big of a deal; I'm not against it. But it honestly serves no useful purpose for passports.

@dood111 said
Oh God why does everything have to be so complicated for you people?
Check male or female and stop crying about it. Or check "other" if you want, who cares?
Jebus, the simplest stuff that has been around FOREVER is somehow too much for you libtards to bear.

All I said was "I don't know why it's even included". I didn't say identifying gender should be banned from passports.

If you wanna keep gender on passports, fine. I just don't think it's necessary.

@vivify said
All I said was "I don't know why it's even included". I didn't say identifying gender should be banned from passports.

If you wanna keep gender on passports, fine. I just don't think it's necessary.

So if some guy shows up with a woman's passport that clearly isn't him it should be OK?

@vivify said
All I said was "I don't know why it's even included".

Well, that is not for you to know. That is for customs, immigration and security officials to know. Im sure that their job is much easier with that information. The fact that a few people choose to identify as some other sex, does not make the whole male / female classification obsolete and unnecessary.

@dood111 said
So if some guy shows up with a woman's passport that clearly isn't him it should be OK?

That's why passports have photo IDs. Listing gender wouldn't change anything.

@rajk999 said
Im sure that their job is much easier with that information.

Does it really make their job easier, though? How hard (normally) is it to tell gender if one isn't listed?

And if you *couldn't* tell, how would having gender listed on a passport help with anything?

@vivify said
That's why passports have photo IDs. Listing gender wouldn't change anything.

You are making a big deal over nothing, like most libs. Male/female on ID's of all sorts goes back forever why are you crying about it now?

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WHY?
What possible reason is there for gender to be kept off any kind of ID?