Originally posted by no1marauderAre you suggesting that other factors beyond socio-economic circumstances
Are you really that misinformed? Try doing some rudimentary research:
Data from 1998 indicated that death rates for lung and bronchus cancer were higher for blacks and whites than for other races/ethnicities (Table 1). Death rates for black men were higher than for white men. Among men, death rates from lung and bronchus cancer decrea ...[text shortened]... AN, and API women (Table 1, Figure 2).
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5103a1.htm
are to blame? If so, what do you think they are?
Originally posted by Thequ1ckI guess you're over the "black people don't get skin cancer is the reason they have higher cancer mortality rates".
Are you suggesting that other factors beyond socio-economic circumstances
are to blame? If so, what do you think they are?
Why wouldn't black people get as good medical treatment as white people? HMM.
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Originally posted by Thequ1ckWOW, you read fast! You did get this:
Are you suggesting that the health service is guilty of institutionalised racism?
Institutional Racism in U.S. Health Care
Compounding the racial discrimination experienced generally, is the institutional racism in health care that affects access to health care and the quality of health care received. Despite efforts to eliminate discrimination and reduce racial segregation over the past 30 years, there has been little change in the quality of or access to health care for many minorities. According to the US Commission on Civil Rights, "Failure to recognize and eliminate differences in health care delivery, financing, and research presents a discriminatory barrier that creates and perpetuates differences in health status." Racial discrimination in health care delivery, financing, and research continues to exist and racial barriers to quality health care manifests themselves in a number of ways including
You have to actually read some of the rest to get the gory details, but the answer to the question you have posed is clearly "yes".
Originally posted by no1marauderI suspect that this does occur but not on such a level as to cause a tangible
WOW, you read fast! You did get this:
Institutional Racism in U.S. Health Care
Compounding the racial discrimination experienced generally, is the institutional racism in health care that affects access to health care and the quality of health care received. Despite efforts to eliminate discrimination and reduce racial segregation over the past 30 y ...[text shortened]... est to get the gory details, but the answer to the question you have posed is clearly "yes".
increase in death rates from Cancer. The surgeons and doctors would have to
be guilty of serious negligence to even change the odds by a fraction of a percent.
The article shows no clear evidence of any factors beyond socio-economic that
contribute to these discrepencies.
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraThe UK is one of the 36 countries which have better healthcare than the US. Top of the list is France, and most of those 36 countries have free healthcare paid for by the government through taxation.
UK life expectancy: 78.7
US life expectancy: 78.1
Originally posted by karnachzWhen you say "better health care" Do you mean better access to care, or better doctors, medications, procedures and technology?
The UK is one of the 36 countries which have better healthcare than the US. Top of the list is France, and most of those 36 countries have free healthcare paid for by the government through taxation.
GRANNY.
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Originally posted by EladarYou sure jump to conclusions based on an off hand comment on a conservative website.
He means better health care. You know, lower murder rates and lower accidental death rates.
The number of murders is too small to have much of an impact on life expectancy. Most other industrialized countries have significantly higher suicide rates and suicide is far more common then murder even in the US. I see no evidence that US accidental death rates are higher than other industrialized countries; they would have to be quite a bit higher to make up such a statistically significant difference.
In short, there's no numbers that support the bland assertion that elimination of these types of deaths would effect the difference between US and other countries' life expectancies.
EDIT: There were 18,000 homicides out of 2,448,000 deaths in 2005. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_10.pdf
I think they are alot more likely to have actually calculated the numbers than you have. Having said that, I think you said something very enlightening. You said that people in Socialized societies have a much higher rate of suicide. Why would we want to adopt a system where people have a high rate of suicide?
Originally posted by EladarI said nothing about "socialized" countries. To reverse your question, why should any country want to emulate a country which has 8 times the murder rate?
I think they are alot more likely to have actually calculated the numbers than you have. Having said that, I think you said something very enlightening. You said that people in Socialized societies have a much higher rate of suicide. Why would we want to adopt a system where people have a high rate of suicide?
I just presented numbers; they didn't. You seem to take the word of conservatives without any evidence to support it; you are definitely their target audience.