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    16 Mar '18 01:033 edits
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/reality-check-ex-cia-director-says-u-s-meddles-for-a-good-cause/

    Why does the deep state in the US pretend that meddling in elections a standard protocol for governments around the world has not been happening for a long time now, especially with such a long history of the US doing it to other countries?
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    16 Mar '18 01:23
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/reality-check-ex-cia-director-says-u-s-meddles-for-a-good-cause/

    Why does the deep state in the US pretend that meddling in elections a standard protocol for governments around the world has not been happening for a long time now, especially with such a long history of the US doing it to other countries?
    Do you have a life ?
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    16 Mar '18 01:23
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    Do you have a life ?
    Apparently one more fulfilling than yours.
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    16 Mar '18 02:30
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/reality-check-ex-cia-director-says-u-s-meddles-for-a-good-cause/

    Why does the deep state in the US pretend that meddling in elections a standard protocol for governments around the world has not been happening for a long time now, especially with such a long history of the US doing it to other countries?
    Don't worry, whodey, in true Ouroboros fashion, the Republican Party has turned this around and now their favorite country to meddle in the heretofore free elections of is the good ol' USA. First was 2000, then again in 2016. The only thing the rest of us can hope for is that they make it SO obvious in 2020, that even people like you can't miss it.
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    16 Mar '18 03:45
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/reality-check-ex-cia-director-says-u-s-meddles-for-a-good-cause/

    Why does the deep state in the US pretend that meddling in elections a standard protocol for governments around the world has not been happening for a long time now, especially with such a long history of the US doing it to other countries?
    Yes Whodey, the closer Robert Mueller gets to stripping the facade off Trump and exposing him as Putin's little puppet, the more folks like you start sniveling about the deep state, the secret societies, the liberals, and any other little fig leaf you can find to cover Trumps wrinkled old backside. 😴
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    16 Mar '18 06:17
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/reality-check-ex-cia-director-says-u-s-meddles-for-a-good-cause/

    Why does the deep state in the US pretend that meddling in elections a standard protocol for governments around the world has not been happening for a long time now, especially with such a long history of the US doing it to other countries?
    I think that people need to actually confront this.

    This is a great post and a great point...

    The US has meddled in elections for years. There's even a cover of Time magazine that is a cartoon of Boris Yeltsin and it celebrates "How US Advisors & Donors Made Yeltsin Premier of Russia" (paraphrase).

    You can look at the USAID budget nad find massive investments in foreign countries to promote LGBTQ. This doesn't even include the sort of covert spending and intelligence operations that happen in those places.

    And Russia may have spent tiddly-wink chump change in the US election via... FACEBOOK ADS (lol)... and they are pretending this is an assault on democracy, eroding all of our values.

    It's something that you have to account for.
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    16 Mar '18 06:18
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Yes Whodey, the closer Robert Mueller gets to stripping the facade off Trump and exposing him as Putin's little puppet, the more folks like you start sniveling about the deep state, the secret societies, the liberals, and any other little fig leaf you can find to cover Trumps wrinkled old backside. 😴
    "The closer he gets..."

    It's been over a year. It's really basically been 1.9 years of this sort of stuff.

    It's just going to be a stalling, distraction tactic for another 1-2 years and people will try to paint this same portrait as Pres. Trump runs for reelection in 2020.

    ... Will you literally still be talking about when Mueller reveals the big truth then?

    lol.
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    16 Mar '18 09:17
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/reality-check-ex-cia-director-says-u-s-meddles-for-a-good-cause/

    Why does the deep state in the US pretend that meddling in elections a standard protocol for governments around the world has not been happening for a long time now, especially with such a long history of the US doing it to other countries?
    Good point. It is like saying "when we become dictators it is because we are good dictators with good intentions. We subvert democracy for the right reasons. Trust us. It is the other dictators you can't trust. We handle power better than them."
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    16 Mar '18 09:23
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Yes Whodey, the closer Robert Mueller gets to stripping the facade off Trump and exposing him as Putin's little puppet, the more folks like you start sniveling about the deep state, the secret societies, the liberals, and any other little fig leaf you can find to cover Trumps wrinkled old backside. 😴
    There is no evidence of collusion with Russia, but there is evidence that Debbie Wasserman Shultz and Donna Brazil meddled in our elections. Debbie conspired against Sanders and Donna conspired with Hitlery against Trump.
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    16 Mar '18 10:161 edit
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    I think that people need to actually confront this.

    This is a great post and a great point...

    The US has meddled in elections for years. There's even a cover of Time magazine that is a cartoon of Boris Yeltsin and it celebrates "How US Advisors & Donors Made Yeltsin Premier of Russia" (paraphrase).

    You can look at the USAID budget nad find mass ...[text shortened]... ssault on democracy, eroding all of our values.

    It's something that you have to account for.
    Never mind that man!

    Mueller is that much closer

    It's all that really matters, get a "D" in the Oval Orifice.
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    16 Mar '18 10:19
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    Good point. It is like saying "when we become dictators it is because we are good dictators with good intentions. We subvert democracy for the right reasons. Trust us. It is the other dictators you can't trust. We handle power better than them."
    The Ukrainian government openly tried to help Hillary win as they colluded with her campaign

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446

    No one cares.
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    16 Mar '18 10:25
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/reality-check-ex-cia-director-says-u-s-meddles-for-a-good-cause/

    Why does the deep state in the US pretend that meddling in elections a standard protocol for governments around the world has not been happening for a long time now, especially with such a long history of the US doing it to other countries?
    Are you suggesting the US government has been breaking laws and international treaties???
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    16 Mar '18 13:29
    Originally posted by @whodey
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/reality-check-ex-cia-director-says-u-s-meddles-for-a-good-cause/

    Why does the deep state in the US pretend that meddling in elections a standard protocol for governments around the world has not been happening for a long time now, especially with such a long history of the US doing it to other countries?
    Because when it happened before, it was the CIA, the Republican Party, and capitalo-libertarians like United Fruit who did it, and therefore all good and acceptable. The hypocrisy of your friends knows no bounds.
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    16 Mar '18 13:581 edit
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Are you suggesting the US government has been breaking laws and international treaties???
    Nope, only Trump.

    It's all his fault.

    Take that back, it's all Putin's fault.

    I wonder who Putin will elect in 2020.
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    16 Mar '18 14:00
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    Because when it happened before, it was the CIA, the Republican Party, and capitalo-libertarians like United Fruit who did it, and therefore all good and acceptable. The hypocrisy of your friends knows no bounds.
    Well it seems that nations meddling in elections was OK till this election.

    Shrug.
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