Originally posted by princeoforangeI think you'll find that various aspects of Guatanamo bay are classified as torture.
I don't know what it was referring to, nor much I care. The accusations of torture are clutches at straws.
As is dragging a naked prisoner around his cell by a chain, like the footage that was filmed.
Originally posted by RagnorakIt gets my vote. You wouldn't do it to save lives?
The conservative radio host, Scott Hennen, asked Mr Cheney if he agreed that "a dunk in water is a no-brainer" if it would unearth information of pending attacks and save lives.
Mr Cheney replied: "Well, it's a no-brainer for me."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6093298.stm
Does admission of using torture on kidnap victims help get votes in America these days?
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Originally posted by RagnorakYou forgot the sixth one.
If you choose to play the idiocy card, then feel free.
The rest of us know that VP Cheney was referring to waterboarding.
Scott Hennen: "And I've had people call and say, please, [b]let the Vice President know that if it takes dunking a terrorist in water, we're all for it, if it saves American lives. Again, this debate seems a little silly given ...[text shortened]... talk.[/b]"
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/variety_of_inte.html
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Take rat tail file and and start filing down his teeth. He'll talk for sure then.
Originally posted by slimjimI think that we should do what we agreed to do when we signed the Geneva Conventions. At this time it is unclear to me what status so called "unlawful combatants" have with respect to the Conventions.
It gets my vote. You wouldn't do it to save lives?
I also think that the US should acknowledge that all humans have inalienable rights and that our government has a responsibility to protect those rights for any prisoner we take as that is the basis for our nation. What are those rights? I'm not sure. I haven't looked into it enough.
Since I have a lot of uncertainty about these issues I allow the system to do what it's supposed to do and make these decisions. I really need to study these things more 🙁.
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Originally posted by princeoforangeCIA agents who were subjected to the treatment broke within minutes.
I don't know what it was referring to, nor much I care. The accusations of torture are clutches at straws.
Truth is we agreed to act civilized when we signed the geneva conventions, and we rail against other nations that violate Human rights, I think that we should hold ourselves to the level we would want our enemies to treat American prisoners.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe US also ratified the Convention Against Torture and Inhumane Treatment, so the VP is advising that our forces violate the "Supreme Law of the Land" (according to the US Constitution, which a dickhead like slimjim has never read).
I think that we should do what we agreed to do when we signed the Geneva Conventions. At this time it is unclear to me what status so called "unlawful combatants" have with respect to the Conventions.
I also think that the US should acknowledge that all humans have inalienable rights and that our government has a responsibility to protect those rig ...[text shortened]... it's supposed to do and make these decisions. I really need to study these things more 🙁.
Originally posted by no1marauderWhat do you mean when you say that
The US also ratified the Convention Against Torture and Inhumane Treatment, so the VP is advising that our forces violate the "Supreme Law of the Land" (according to the US Constitution, which a dickhead like slimjim has never read).
"our forces violate the "Supreme Law of the Land" (according to the US Constitution"
Would you elaborate?
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This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land;
US Constitution, VI
The Convention Against Torture and Inhumane Treatment, a treaty, was duly signed and ratified by the US government pursuant to the US Constitution. Therefore, it is part of the "Supreme Land of the Land". It prohibits the type of activities that anti-American (i.e. what America is really supposed to stand for) nutjobs like Dick Cheney and slimjim think are A-OK.
There's a discussion of the Convention and US responsibilities under it here: http://www.amnestyusa.org/stoptorture/law.html
Originally posted by RagnorakHere's a quote from the text of the Geneva Convention:
The conservative radio host, Scott Hennen, asked Mr Cheney if he agreed that "a dunk in water is a no-brainer" if it would unearth information of pending attacks and save lives.
Mr Cheney replied: "Well, it's a no-brainer for me."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6093298.stm
Does admission of using torture on kidnap victims help get votes in America these days?
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"Prisoners of war must be humanely treated at all times. Any unlawful act which causes death or seriously endangers the health of a prisoner of war is a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions. In particular, prisoners must not be subject to physical mutilation>, biological experiments, violence, intimidation, insults, and public curiosity. (Convention III, Art. 13)"
Is this how we want American servicemen treated when they are taken prisoner? Sleep deprivation, and worse? And we think we get away with it on a technicality -- "oh no, these aren't POWs, they are just terrorists"? What the heck is that supposed to mean? We can't treat POWs like this and we DARN sure can't treat criminals like this -- I don't care where a "terrorist" falls but he is somewhere on that spectrum. Sorry, but this sort of questioning is TOTALLY indefensible.
That a VP of the US said this is really, really despicable.
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Originally posted by slimjimThe Framers would wipe a piece of crap like you off their shoe before they listened to your nutjob, anti-American raving.
The country is going down the toilet because of dickheads like you. You wouldn't torture someone to save thousands of American lives and allow them to die instead of getting the information out of some terrorist. Allah thanks you you piece of dung.