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  1. Stargazing
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    07 Jan '18 19:29
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    I'm up to seven members. Join now and you could be amongst my first twelve disciples.
    Interested...

    But but do I ever get to hold the conch and sit in the big chair?
  2. Donationrwingett
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    07 Jan '18 20:18
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    Interested...

    But but do I ever get to hold the conch and sit in the big chair?
    You should be able to take the conch shell and post something. Let me know if it doesn't work.
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    07 Jan '18 21:231 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Sorry, I'm more of a Libertarian Socialist and regard such a group as schismatics. I bet most of the people in it supported the the Judean People's Front rather than the true revolutionaries of the The People's Front of Judea.
    Libertarian socialist?

    Funny, is that sort of like a volunteer fascism?
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    07 Jan '18 21:25
    Originally posted by @rwingett
    To use the Hutterites again as a rough example, there are 45,000 Hutterites, orgainized into 462 colonies, throughout the western US and Canada. That must be worth quite a bit, but their mode of life makes them more or less impervious to all but the most egregious abuses of state or corporate power.
    Sold!

    When can I move in?

    Just think we are going to be buds! 😵
  5. Subscriberno1marauder
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    08 Jan '18 01:57
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Libertarian socialist?

    Funny, is that sort of like a volunteer fascism?
    LIBERTARIAN SOCIALISM: a social system which believes in freedom of action and thought and free will, in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods.

    http://www.spunk.org/library/intro/faq/sp001547/secA1.html#seca13
  6. Donationrwingett
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    08 Jan '18 02:12
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    LIBERTARIAN SOCIALISM: a social system which believes in freedom of action and thought and free will, in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods.

    http://www.spunk.org/library/intro/faq/sp001547/secA1.html#seca13
    Libertarian Socialism is certainly compatible with Utopian Socialism. There is a large overlap between them. Certainly more so than with Marxism.
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    08 Jan '18 04:27
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    LIBERTARIAN SOCIALISM: a social system which believes in freedom of action and thought and free will, in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods.

    http://www.spunk.org/library/intro/faq/sp001547/secA1.html#seca13
    Right, take away all their economic freedom and let them be free to do whatever they desire while dirt poor, unless it is an activity you approve of.
  8. Subscriberno1marauder
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    08 Jan '18 04:43
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Right, take away all their economic freedom and let them be free to do whatever they desire while dirt poor, unless it is an activity you approve of.
    It's really amusing that you think capitalism enhances an individual's "economic freedom".
  9. SubscriberWajoma
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    08 Jan '18 05:08
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    It's really amusing that you think capitalism enhances an individual's "economic freedom".
    In a Libertarian society you would be free to pursue capitalist ideals with other like minded fellows, or form voluntary socialist collectives. And thanks to technology (the internet) there has never been a better time to do this. What defines Libertarianism is the non-aggression principle, as long as you realise you have no right to force your socialist brainwaves on unwilling folk you may as well man up and drop that part of "Libertarian Socialism". Know that first and foremost you're a libertarian, what collectives, groups or clubs you join after that is your business.
  10. SubscriberWajoma
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    08 Jan '18 05:09
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    It's really amusing that you think capitalism enhances an individual's "economic freedom".
    It's really amusing that you think socialism enhances an individual's "economic freedom".

    But then that's your business, as it is my business to trade with other capitalists.
  11. Standard membershavixmir
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    08 Jan '18 08:01
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Sorry, I'm more of a Libertarian Socialist and regard such a group as schismatics. I bet most of the people in it supported the the Judean People's Front rather than the true revolutionaries of the The People's Front of Judea.
    Seriosly?
    What have those socialist librarians ever done for you?

    Well, except for...
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    08 Jan '18 10:30
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Libertarian socialist?

    Funny, is that sort of like a volunteer fascism?
    More or less. I've never found a libertarian who was anything but an extreme right solipsist. Unlovable people, all of them.
  13. Standard membercaissad4
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    08 Jan '18 10:35
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Sorry, I'm more of a Libertarian Socialist and regard such a group as schismatics. I bet most of the people in it supported the the Judean People's Front rather than the true revolutionaries of the The People's Front of Judea.
    Splitters !
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    08 Jan '18 10:36
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    It's really amusing that you think socialism enhances an individual's "economic freedom".

    But then that's your business, as it is my business to trade with other capitalists.
    Moderate socialism does increase most individuals' freedoms, including financial ones. (For example, thanks to my country's moderate socialism, I'm not starving because of my medical bills.)
    Capitalism, by contrast, is all about increasing companies' freedoms, at the expense of individuals'.
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    08 Jan '18 10:41
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    Moderate socialism does increase most individuals' freedoms, including financial ones. (For example, thanks to my country's moderate socialism, I'm not starving because of my medical bills.)
    Capitalism, by contrast, is all about increasing companies' freedoms, at the expense of individuals'.
    Tell that to people in places like Venezuela and North Korea.
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