@mott-the-hoople saidGood point.
why would there be a need for a vaccine passport if a vaccinated person is just as contagious as an unvaccinated person?
no1 is in denial of that though. He thinks vaccinated people spread it less despite the fact that the most vaccinated countries have the most infections. That indicates the opposite is true.
Do you think you can overcome no1's cognitive dissonance? He is accepting 2 things that are contradictions. Does he realize that is Orwellian doublethink? He doesn't seem to realize that.
@metal-brain saidI wrote him off a long time ago as a critical thinker. He is merely a googler that try's to appear as an expert on any given subject.
Good point.
no1 is in denial of that though. He thinks vaccinated people spread it less despite the fact that the most vaccinated countries have the most infections. That indicates the opposite is true.
Do you think you can overcome no1's cognitive dissonance? He is accepting 2 things that are contradictions. Does he realize that is Orwellian doublethink? He doesn't seem to realize that.
@mott-the-hoople saidIsrael's data is the best we have right now. If he wants to prove something he has to do it with Israel's data, not with the USA's rigged data.
I wrote him off a long time ago as a critical thinker. He is merely a googler that try's to appear as an expert on any given subject.
From the link below:
"The data coming out of Israel is considered by many to be the best we have, and can give us a glimpse of what to expect elsewhere. As explained by Science magazine:
“Israel is being closely watched now because it was one of the first countries out of the gate with vaccinations in December 2020 and quickly achieved a degree of population coverage that was the envy of other nations — for a time.
The nation of 9.3 million also has a robust public health infrastructure and a population wholly enrolled in HMOs that track them closely, allowing it to produce high-quality, real-world data on how well vaccines are working.
‘I watch [Israeli data] very, very closely because it is some of the absolutely best data coming out anywhere in the world,’ says David O’Connor, a viral sequencing expert at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.
‘Israel is the model,’ agrees Eric Topol, a physician-scientist at Scripps Research. ‘It’s pure mRNA vaccines. It’s out there early. It’s got a very high level population [uptake]. It’s a working experimental lab for us to learn from.’
Israel’s HMOs … track demographics, comorbidities, and a trove of coronavirus metrics on infections, illnesses, and deaths. ‘We have rich individual-level data that allows us to provide real-world evidence in near–real time,’ Balicer says …
Now, the effects of waning immunity may be beginning to show in Israelis vaccinated in early winter; a preprint13 published last month … found that protection from COVID-19 infection during June and July dropped in proportion to the length of time since an individual was vaccinated.People vaccinated in January had a 2.26 times greater risk for a breakthrough infection than those vaccinated in April.”
https://www.technocracy.news/60-of-those-older-than-50-who-die-from-covid-are-double-vaxxed/
@suzianne saidVaccine Passports Were Planned Even Before The Pandemic Began. They are not the result of the pandemic. Learn to read.
What do scientists do when they are faced with new information?
They revise their initial hupothesis and start more experiments. This is the scientific method. The same can be (or should be) done in social or political scenarios. People who can't revise their thinking about a problem when they get new information are, well, like you, dinosaurs who become extinct.
https://greatgameindia.com/vaccine-passports-planned-before-pandemic/
@metal-brain saidVaccinated people are not as contagious as unvaccianted people.
Good point.
no1 is in denial of that though. He thinks vaccinated people spread it less despite the fact that the most vaccinated countries have the most infections. That indicates the opposite is true.
Do you think you can overcome no1's cognitive dissonance? He is accepting 2 things that are contradictions. Does he realize that is Orwellian doublethink? He doesn't seem to realize that.
Various studies have shown this.
I’ve already pointed you to the Dutch track & trace numbers, which clearly show this trend.
More than 90% of hospitalizations are unvaccinates people. In the Netherlands 85% of people are vaccinated.
So that means the pool of hospitalizations comes vastly out 15% of the population.
These are indisputable facts, mirrored in every country.
Stop spreading nonsense, lies, misinformation and congecture based on out-of-context paragraphs (like you do with an Israeli study).
@shavixmir said"These are indisputable facts, mirrored in every country."
Vaccinated people are not as contagious as unvaccianted people.
Various studies have shown this.
I’ve already pointed you to the Dutch track & trace numbers, which clearly show this trend.
More than 90% of hospitalizations are unvaccinates people. In the Netherlands 85% of people are vaccinated.
So that means the pool of hospitalizations comes vastly out 15% of the ...[text shortened]... isinformation and congecture based on out-of-context paragraphs (like you do with an Israeli study).
WRONG!
Data on Mortality in the Most Vaccinated Countries. Increased Hospitalizations of the Vaccinated.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/high-recorded-mortality-in-countries-categorized-as-covid-19-vaccine-champions-increased-hospitalization/5757173
@metal-brain saidYou are really completely retarded, aren’t you?
"These are indisputable facts, mirrored in every country."
WRONG!
Data on Mortality in the Most Vaccinated Countries. Increased Hospitalizations of the Vaccinated.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/high-recorded-mortality-in-countries-categorized-as-covid-19-vaccine-champions-increased-hospitalization/5757173
@shavixmir saidDid you even read the article?
You are really completely retarded, aren’t you?
If you cannot read you must be retarded.
@Metal-Brain
THIS dude?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky
A KNOWN conspiracy theorist.
@sonhouse saidAttack the source....is that all you have?
@Metal-Brain
THIS dude?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky
A KNOWN conspiracy theorist.
Try proving him wrong. Anything less is unimpressive.
You are a known conspiracy theorist. You embraced the conspiracy theory that trump conspired with Russia to steal the election from Hitlery Clinton for 4 years with absolutely no evidence at all.
Russiagate was started by an unconfirmed rumor someone heard from George Demetrios Papadopoulos. No evidence at all.