@wildgrass saidWhy require it? You are being illogical.
Obviously. The vaccine is safe and 95% of hospitalized are unvaccinated. You'd be a negligent CEO not to require it for all employees.
Being unvaccinated is a choice. They know the risks. What does a CEO have to do with it? Why are you anti-choice? Those choosing to not vaccinate do not affect you or others.
@metal-brain saidUm, the CEO doesn't have to do it but should if he wants a simple solution to keep his employees from getting sick. There's lots of things you have to do to go to work.
Why require it? You are being illogical.
Being unvaccinated is a choice. They know the risks. What does a CEO have to do with it? Why are you anti-choice? Those choosing to not vaccinate do not affect you or others.
@wildgrass saidThere are all sorts of things that can make employees sick. Is it the employer's responsibility to keep people from getting the flu? They never seemed to care before the pandemic started. Employers let people with the flu work. Only recently are they told to go home until they recover completely.
Um, the CEO doesn't have to do it but should if he wants a simple solution to keep his employees from getting sick. There's lots of things you have to do to go to work.
Only vaccinated people support what you are suggesting and that is only because they got vaccinated themselves and want to push it on others. Reaching herd immunity is impossible, therefore what you are suggesting is illogical.
@metal-brain saidIt's not the employers responsibility, but there are terms to your employment. We live in a capitalist society.
There are all sorts of things that can make employees sick. Is it the employer's responsibility to keep people from getting the flu? They never seemed to care before the pandemic started. Employers let people with the flu work. Only recently are they told to go home until they recover completely.
Only vaccinated people support what you are suggesting and that is only b ...[text shortened]... it on others. Reaching herd immunity is impossible, therefore what you are suggesting is illogical.
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" under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), an employer may force an employee to stay home if the employer believes that the employee will pose a direct threat to the workplace due to having or being exposed to, a serious infectious disease. This includes employees that are still willing and able to work. Many diseases are very infectious. For example, the Measles virus can be caught if you enter a room where an infected individual was located thirty minutes ago. Sometimes the best way an employer can prevent the threat of exposure to all employees is to require one employee to stay home from work."
Even prior to COVID:
" Can my employer fire me for not getting myself or my child a flu shot or vaccination?
Yes. Generally, your boss may make it a job requirement that you be vaccinated and remove the risk of exposer to infectious disease. If your employer creates such a policies, your employer may fire you for failing to vaccinate yourself or your children. Your employer may assume that having an unvaccinated child could lead to an unreasonable risk that you could catch the flu or another illness, and as a result, your employer is legally allowed to fire you."
https://gitteslaw.com/employee-rights/infectious-disease-workplace/#1
@wildgrass saidwhy are you lib idiots wanting so bad for our rights to be taken away?
Um, the CEO doesn't have to do it but should if he wants a simple solution to keep his employees from getting sick. There's lots of things you have to do to go to work.
@mott-the-hoople saidYou have no "right" to spread deadly infectious diseases to other people.
why are you lib idiots wanting so bad for our rights to be taken away?
@wildgrass saidIt doesn't make any sense. Herd immunity is impossible.
It's not the employers responsibility, but there are terms to your employment. We live in a capitalist society.
An employer cannot fight a religious exemption either. If he does he could get sued.
https://qz.com/2044284/icelands-rising-covid-19-cases-demonstrate-vaccine-efficacy/
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@mott-the-hoople saidThis isn't a new thing. We've been mandating vaccines for certain activities for a long long time. SCOTUS ruled over 100 years ago that you don't have the right to refuse a vaccine.
why are you lib idiots wanting so bad for our rights to be taken away?
Where were your objections pre-COVID?
@wildgrass saidAn employer cannot fight a religious exemption.
This isn't a new thing. We've been mandating vaccines for certain activities for a long long time. SCOTUS ruled over 100 years ago that you don't have the right to refuse a vaccine.
Where were your objections pre-COVID?
The gene vaccines are not really vaccines at all. They are a treatment, not a vaccine. They do not prevent the vaccinated from getting the virus and transmitting it to others.
@wildgrass saidHere's the case: https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/blog/on-this-day-the-supreme-court-rules-on-vaccines-and-public-health
This isn't a new thing. We've been mandating vaccines for certain activities for a long long time. SCOTUS ruled over 100 years ago that you don't have the right to refuse a vaccine.
Where were your objections pre-COVID?
"On February 20, 1905, the Supreme Court, by a 7-2 majority, said in Jacobson v. Massachusetts that the city of Cambridge, Massachusetts could fine residents who refused to receive smallpox injections."
"Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote about the police power of states to regulate for the protection of public health: “The good and welfare of the Commonwealth, of which the legislature is primarily the judge, is the basis on which the police power rests in Massachusetts,” Harlan said “upon the principle of self-defense, of paramount necessity, a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic of disease which threatens the safety of its members.”
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@metal-brain saidYou use "gene" vaccine with the implication that is bad but without any rationale for that assumption. Like, a red car is not really a car because its red?
An employer cannot fight a religious exemption.
The gene vaccines are not really vaccines at all. They are a treatment, not a vaccine. They do not prevent the vaccinated from getting the virus and transmitting it to others.
There is strong constitutional and moral frameworks for mandating vaccinations.
[T]he liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint. There are manifold restraints to which every person is necessarily subject for the common good. On any other basis, organized society could not exist with safety to its members.
Everybody acting like babies about this vaccine. You know, they mandated smallpox vaccinations and no one was whining about full FDA approval.
@no1marauder saidHerd immunity is impossible because the gene vaccines do NOT prevent the spread of the virus. That means the gene vaccines do not meet the definition of a vaccine. You cannot mandate a treatment before a person even gets a disease, especially one with no long term trials.
Here's the case: https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/blog/on-this-day-the-supreme-court-rules-on-vaccines-and-public-health
"On February 20, 1905, the Supreme Court, by a 7-2 majority, said in Jacobson v. Massachusetts that the city of Cambridge, Massachusetts could fine residents who refused to receive smallpox injections."
"Justice John Marshal ...[text shortened]... ght to protect itself against an epidemic of disease which threatens the safety of its members.”[/b]
https://qz.com/2044284/icelands-rising-covid-19-cases-demonstrate-vaccine-efficacy/
@wildgrass saidGene vaccines are not vaccines.
You use "gene" vaccine with the implication that is bad but without any rationale for that assumption. Like, a red car is not really a car because its red?
There is strong constitutional and moral frameworks for mandating vaccinations.
[quote][T]he liberty secured by the Constitution of the United States to every person within its jurisdiction does not import an absolut ...[text shortened]... ccine. You know, they mandated smallpox vaccinations and no one was whining about full FDA approval.
They have to prevent the spread of a virus to be a vaccine.