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  1. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    26 Sep '10 17:24
    What do you think?
  2. 26 Sep '10 17:25
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    What do you think?
    Yes, they betrayed their king.
  3. 26 Sep '10 17:32
    What do you call people who rebel against their government?
  4. 26 Sep '10 17:43
    Originally posted by Eladar
    What do you call people who rebel against their government?
    subversive.
  5. 26 Sep '10 17:45
    I'd say subversive is more like a terrorist or spy. Having said that, I believe both of those would be called a traitor.
  6. 26 Sep '10 17:48
    Originally posted by Eladar
    I'd say subversive is more like a terrorist or spy. Having said that, I believe both of those would be called a traitor.
    why is a spy subversive?

    they're certainly not subversive to the country they're supplying information to.
  7. 26 Sep '10 17:52
    They are for the country they are spying on.
  8. 26 Sep '10 18:00
    Originally posted by Eladar
    They are for the country they are spying on.
    only if they're citizens of that country.
  9. 26 Sep '10 18:07
    To be a traitor, yes that's true.
  10. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    26 Sep '10 18:17
    Some American rebels to compare/contrast to the Founders:

    Confederates
    Teabaggers
    Gangsters
  11. 26 Sep '10 18:34
    Gangsters: Not rebels, simply criminals. They have no political ideals, they simply want money and power.

    Tea Party people are working within the government, therefore they are not rebels.

    Confederates (you are talking about the Conferederate states of America right?) were definitely rebels and traitors.
  12. 26 Sep '10 19:05
    Isn't this just another version of the rather tedious terrorist/freedom fighter paradox?
  13. 26 Sep '10 19:10
    It is no more of a paradox than who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.

    People who do not like traitors are people who like the Status Quo.
  14. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    26 Sep '10 19:56
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Isn't this just another version of the rather tedious terrorist/freedom fighter paradox?
    Didn't you know that tired old ideas are the ones that people find interesting on forums?
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    26 Sep '10 19:57
    Originally posted by Eladar
    It is no more of a paradox than who are the good guys and who are the bad guys.

    People who do not like traitors are people who like the Status Quo.
    Does that mean rebels are never conservatives?