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We all agree. Babies born in the USA are US citizens.   ? Not so fast…..

We all agree. Babies born in the USA are US citizens. ? Not so fast…..

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@wildgrass said
Do you think in 1868 they knew there would be people swarming into America just to have kids as anchor babies?

All persons born here are citizens. That's whats written.
But it's NOT what they meant to have happen.
Jet-setting to America for a weekend delivery to give a baby US citezesnhip is NOT what they envisioned.
Neither is two illegals being smuggled into America to have a baby and claim it's a citizen.
It was 1868 FFS. Think about the time FFS.


@Cliff-Mashburn said
But it's NOT what they meant to have happen.
Jet-setting to America for a weekend delivery to give a baby US citezesnhip is NOT what they envisioned.
Neither is two illegals being smuggled into America to have a baby and claim it's a citizen.
It was 1868 FFS. Think about the time FFS.
You want SCOTUS to say that they didn't mean what they wrote?


@wildgrass said
You want SCOTUS to say that they didn't mean what they wrote?
yes.


@no1marauder said
So you want the government to dictate who can or can't have a baby?

Of course, the most logical thing to do is to give people willing to come here, work and raise a family a prompt path to citizenship esp. now with the country's shortage of workers and low birth rate . That would solve your non-problem, wouldn't it?
Yeah, bring more non citizens into our country, children or not. Watch the plethora of workers results in low wages Then after that, don’t you know, the number of jobs becomes less than the number of workers, and that means tahr those illegals compete with your uncle Charlie for a job at the brick factory, where he will now make less money.
Econ 101. Supply and demand don’t you know
Fool


@AverageJoe1
I don’t care if people have babies. Issue is citizens.

Fool

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@AverageJoe1 said
What if a certain chinese businessman is having a lot of surrogate babies, being born inside the USA, for his announced intended purpose to have a large family to run his billionaire (vid games) business. The primary reasoning has them being citizens of the United States of America when they run his company, a chinee company, inside the USA. That is happening. Here is a W ...[text shortened]... berated response, please chime in with your opinions. Your ideas may help him shore up his response.
Easy. As long as someone plays within the rules as written, it's fine.

But "chinee"?


@AverageJoe1 said
What if a certain chinese businessman is having a lot of surrogate babies, being born inside the USA,
Maybe you should have thought of that first?

(Thank goodness it seems that you did not.)

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@AverageJoe1 said
@AverageJoe1
I don’t care if people have babies. Issue is citizens.

Fool
Why are you even allowed to post here?

How did you allow yourself to become so mocking, inconsiderate, and laughingly cruel?


@AverageJoe1 said
What if a certain chinese businessman is having a lot of surrogate babies, being born inside the USA, for his announced intended purpose to have a large family to run his billionaire (vid games) business. The primary reasoning has them being citizens of the United States of America when they run his company, a chinee company, inside the USA. That is happening. Here is a W ...[text shortened]... berated response, please chime in with your opinions. Your ideas may help him shore up his response.
Is this kind of thing really the best you have to offer to the world with your time remaining?


@AverageJoe1 said
Yeah, bring more non citizens into our country, children or not. Watch the plethora of workers results in low wages Then after that, don’t you know, the number of jobs becomes less than the number of workers, and that means tahr those illegals compete with your uncle Charlie for a job at the brick factory, where he will now make less money.
Econ 101. Supply and demand don’t you know
Fool
Elon Musk seems to think some kind of post-monetary society is likely to develop in the next decade or two.

As for your wide-ranging racism (against various human demographics), I imagine you are the type who would welcome space invaders with open arms and open orifices.


@Cliff-Mashburn said
yes.
Try that with the Dobbs decision first.


@Cliff-Mashburn said
But it's NOT what they meant to have happen.
Jet-setting to America for a weekend delivery to give a baby US citezesnhip is NOT what they envisioned.
Neither is two illegals being smuggled into America to have a baby and claim it's a citizen.
It was 1868 FFS. Think about the time FFS.
Let's not even discuss that this doesn't happen, right?

Get serious.


@AverageJoe1 said
But it does not say, as you type a few clicks back, ‘everyone born here’ You say in that post that the constitution says everyone born here, so now sue will use that misinformation in her missives and spread it all over the forum.
And THAT is the inherent problem with the forum.

It is why I am here.
Yes, it DOES say, "all persons born or naturalized in the U.S.".

Learn to read.


@AverageJoe1 said
You see your meaningless texts. “People in the U.S.” could be women in prison, which I am def against, or a single mother of 7 having more babies. I am against that too. And, I am against victims of incest having babies.

Meaningless texts. So, could you whistle it down a tad and rephrase. Be specific . Oh, I am not against a non-citizen having a baby here after inv ...[text shortened]... inly not to have the baby be a citizen. Ha! Mom is not even a citizen!!! Topsy turvey, ain’t it.
"Invading"???

Get real.


@AverageJoe1 said
It has all been been resolved by academics with more knowledge of the subject than you and I. how could average Joe add to all of that. We could get into how there were no illegal immigrants around when they wrote the constitution but, I digress. I think we have been over that.

Ask me another question, though. I am not into redundancy. No one can compete with your re ...[text shortened]... n all rights of citizenship ?

That is 2 questions. The debate judges thus require 2 paragraphs.
All that hypotheticals and you never did say what you think about birthright, just playing around the edges without committing yourself.