Originally posted by no1marauderI could live with a 10 round limit. You tape two together inversely positioned and it takes roughly a second to reload a fresh 10. And the ten round magazines are virtually foolproof.
The SCOTUS has refused to hear the appeal of a lower court ruling upholding a local ordinance banning various semi-automatic rifles (mostly civilian versions of military assault rifles) and a magazine capacity limit:
The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday rejected a challenge by gun rights activists to a Chicago suburb's ordinance banning assault weapons an ...[text shortened]... e is here: http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/HP_Firearms-Ordinance.pdf
If it make people feel better, that's all it accomplishes. Anyone who really wants the larger magazines can get them even in Highland Park.
Originally posted by normbenignLoughner in the Gifford's shooting case had a 30-33 round mag and fired every shot from it. When he had to reload, he dropped his mag and was overpowered by a group including a 74 year old man. Reloading by amateurs in a stress situation is hardly the walk in the park you suggest; it is almost certain that a mag limitation would have saved lives in that incident.
I could live with a 10 round limit. You tape two together inversely positioned and it takes roughly a second to reload a fresh 10. And the ten round magazines are virtually foolproof.
If it make people feel better, that's all it accomplishes. Anyone who really wants the larger magazines can get them even in Highland Park.
Originally posted by normbenignThe links work fine for me.
Interesting! Your link provided goes to a Reuters page, and then to a page not found message before you can read the content.
Thing is that any magazine fed rifle can usually accommodate a larger or smaller magazine. My 5.56 rifle has a 5 round magazine used for rodent or small game hunting, but will easily take a 20, 30, or even 50 round magazine.
...[text shortened]... heap large capacity magazine, load it just before you intend your mayhem, or it will likely jam.
Good advice; I'm sure all the potential mass killers appreciate your concern.
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Originally posted by whodeyThis source says differently.
https://gma.yahoo.com/young-couple-blamed-massacre-san-bernardino-131010439--abc-news-topstories.html#
The gunman in California did not purchase the assault weapons.
So what gun control laws would have stopped this?
Today police in San Bernardino said that Farook did not appear to have a criminal record prior to the attack. The four weapons used in t ...[text shortened]... What more do they need, espeically since the gunman had no record and no mental health issues.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/06/cbs-news-man-suspected-of-buying-rifles-used-in-san-bernardino-rampage-checks-into-psychiatric-hospital/
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Originally posted by no1marauderI've never heard of a 30-33 round magazine. Most have a stated capacity, and that's it. Some with weak fingers might find loading a high capacity magazine difficult as it nears its capacity. The spring has to be strong enough to push the cartridges up all the way to the last one. Big banana mags are cumbersome, and reduce the mobility of a rifle in close quarters. I suspect for that reason, as well as dependability, that many police .5.56 rifles are using smaller magazines.
Loughner in the Gifford's shooting case had a 30-33 round mag and fired every shot from it. When he had to reload, he dropped his mag and was overpowered by a group including a 74 year old man. Reloading by amateurs in a stress situation is hardly the walk in the park you suggest; it is almost certain that a mag limitation would have saved lives in that incident.
I'm 72, but I'm sure there are some 74 year olds in better shape than I am. Good thing that often wackos don't practice their evil missions. Let's face it, they are often operating on impulse not logic.
I know when I was carrying regularly, I practiced dropping an empty magazine, and loading a fresh one regularly, even though most defensive shootings require far less than the capacity of my weapon. Success seldom happens without regular practice in any endeavor.
Originally posted by KunsooThe story referenced was written by someone ignorant of firearms. Any 5.56 rifle can fire any number of 5.56 cartridges with different bullet weights, or powder charges.
This source says differently.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/06/cbs-news-man-suspected-of-buying-rifles-used-in-san-bernardino-rampage-checks-into-psychiatric-hospital/
Many could be rechambered to fire the larger 7.62 (30 cal.) round but it would not make sense since rifles are sold that already are chambered in that manner.
The only other modification that would make them "more powerful" would be a conversion to full automatic fire, which would not be a likely chore to do in someone's garage, by amateurs. Of the shelf AR15's trigger groups would require some serious modifications to achieve that. I'm not even sure it's possible.
Originally posted by whodeyEventually you will get this. The door kicked in and the dog shot first thing. The family rounded up and ordered to surrender all firearms or else be arrested. Once the guns are handed over the family is taken to a concentration camp and adults exterminated and children sold to Saudi Aristocrats for sex slaves. Far easier to get rid of an armed population by exterminating those that like to posses firearms than round all the guns up. The population that is left after this will have to turn in found firearms for food. If, in the process there is a fight between the armed citizens and or foreign or domestic military units the better. The end game is depopulation and control.
https://gma.yahoo.com/young-couple-blamed-massacre-san-bernardino-131010439--abc-news-topstories.html#
The gunman in California did not purchase the assault weapons.
So what gun control laws would have stopped this?
Today police in San Bernardino said that Farook did not appear to have a criminal record prior to the attack. The four weapons used in t ...[text shortened]... What more do they need, espeically since the gunman had no record and no mental health issues.
Originally posted by normbenignDon't be thick; I couldn't remember whether it was a 30 or 33 round mag - I wasn't saying there was a "30-33" round mag. In fact, Loughner had a Glock 19 with a 33 round magazine.http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/01/10/us/guns-graphic.html?_r=0
I've never heard of a 30-33 round magazine. Most have a stated capacity, and that's it. Some with weak fingers might find loading a high capacity magazine difficult as it nears its capacity. The spring has to be strong enough to push the cartridges up all the way to the last one. Big banana mags are cumbersome, and reduce the mobility of a rifle in cl ...[text shortened]... han the capacity of my weapon. Success seldom happens without regular practice in any endeavor.
Originally posted by normbenignThe San Bernardino shooters also used high capacity mags:
I could live with a 10 round limit. You tape two together inversely positioned and it takes roughly a second to reload a fresh 10. And the ten round magazines are virtually foolproof.
If it make people feel better, that's all it accomplishes. Anyone who really wants the larger magazines can get them even in Highland Park.
At least four magazines designed to hold 30 rounds were recovered from the Inland Regional Center.
http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/12/04/56040/san-bernardino-shooting-update-rifles-used-in-atta/
These are banned in California but not in any of the States bordering it.
Originally posted by no1marauderSomehow you liberal fellers have it in your head that a killer will abide by a gun law. Be glad he used a gun instead of a bucket of gasoline or bombs. Weapons will always be had by the bad guys. If firearms were totally banned the bad guys will still have them. Try and smarten up a little, will ya?
The San Bernardino shooters also used high capacity mags:
At least four magazines designed to hold 30 rounds were recovered from the Inland Regional Center.
http://www.scpr.org/news/2015/12/04/56040/san-bernardino-shooting-update-rifles-used-in-atta/
These are banned in California but not in any of the States bordering it.
FOX News reported that the $28,500 deposited in his bank account a few weeks before the shootings was a loan from a bank in Utah. Farook made three payments of $5000 dollars each to his mother and the rest is supposed to have been to pay for amminition and for the two AR15 rifles that he must have gotten from his neighbor who has fled the area.
Originally posted by joe beyserDo you think gun manufacturers would abide by a law limiting the size of magazines?
Somehow you liberal fellers have it in your head that a killer will abide by a gun law. Be glad he used a gun instead of a bucket of gasoline or bombs. Weapons will always be had by the bad guys. If firearms were totally banned the bad guys will still have them. Try and smarten up a little, will ya?
Stop with the BS; I never mentioned banning firearms (something I certainly don't support).
Originally posted by no1marauderWell good on ya. The manufacturers have abided by limiting the size of the magazines in the past and would again. Once again though, it will not matter as they will always be available to those who would commit such a crime. If firearms were ever used to defend ones family or even the country, I would want folks to have as much ammo in their weapon as it can possibly hold.
Do you think gun manufacturers would abide by a law limiting the size of magazines?
Stop with the BS; I never mentioned banning firearms (something I certainly don't support).
Originally posted by joe beyserI agree, since gun laws only limit good guys not the bad. The bad will use every trick in the
Well good on ya. The manufacturers have abided by limiting the size of the magazines in the past and would again. Once again though, it will not matter as they will always be available to those who would commit such a crime. If firearms were ever used to defend ones family or even the country, I would want folks to have as much ammo in their weapon as it can possibly hold.
book and every means possible to avoid the book all together.
Originally posted by KellyJayThat's typically simple minded of you.
I agree, since gun laws only limit good guys not the bad. The bad will use every trick in the
book and every means possible to avoid the book all together.
A law banning high capacity mags will mean there are fewer available; it's not like "bad guys" can invent their own. Most of these mass shooters got their guns and high capacity mags legally; it is pure speculation to suppose that they would have obtained an illegal high capacity mag.