What is the "deep state"?

Deep state: Basically, it's a bugaboo
that all these afflicted right-wingers
can blame their problems on.

@mott-the-hoople said
most recently...the mueller fiasco was entirely a deep state product.

agreed. The Russiagate was, in general, including spying on Trump.

@athousandyoung said
I'm not a "Deep Stater" but I believe they are referring to unelected government workers who remain in their positions as elected Representatives come and go.

You mean the civil service?

@vivify said
Just like with "Obamagate", conservatives never actually explain what the "deep state" is or how they know it exists. Republicans claim it's something sinister pulling the strings behind everything that makes them look bad.

So what is the "deep state"? Can anyone plainly explain it?

Please, no links to one of your white supremacist conspiracy-theorist websites. Just plainly state what "deep is" and how you know it exists.

The only true “deep state” isn’t state at all.
It’s lobby groups and very rich donors to political parties.

These “groups” buy influence to suit their own needs.
They’re not accountable to anybody or anything but themselves and perhaps their shareholders.

The demands these groups make thwart political parties’ own agendas and goals. Hence corruption, lying and seemingly idiotic decision making.

There is no centralized agenda.
Some of the culprits are easily spotted: weapon lobbies, oligarchs (especially in London) and pharmaceuticals.

Some are less easy to spot, such as United Fruits. But they, especially in the 80’s and 90’s basically had the US interfering in Southern American labour laws (in very extreme ways).

These groups want to make money and retain money and power. For themselves and their investers.

You can see the larger picture though. You just have to take a step back and realise that it’s not about you, your job, your freedom or your life.

A made up example:
Say China is interfering in the US elections.
What are they doing?
Creating chaos, for example.
Say this chaos leads to a weakening of the dollar.
Who’s hedged against the dollar? Who’s raking in money by the discord?
That’s who’s paying China to interfere.

It’s really not rocket science. And it really isn’t some deep state complot to overthrow the trailer parks in Alabama.

@cheesemaster said
@vivify

Yet you believed "Russian Collusion"
You reek of biased. 🙄

The difference is that Russian interference to get Trump elected was real.

@earl-of-trumps said
Bingo.

There are *some* who are elected, of course. But I think that Deep State controls the
FBI/CIA/DoJ, for sure.

And although right now, DS is working against Trump, they are not necessarily
Democrats. See JFK/RFK. Those were surely DS offings. My opinion.

PS: Sometimes "conspiracy theories" are conspiracy facts.

So William Barr is "Deep State"?

@joe-shmo said
I don't think its a singular organization. I doubt there is a command center if that is what you are referring to. I imagine different agencies cooperate when it is mutually beneficial or they are coerced. So we can never point to it and say , that is the deep state... its fluid.

Well, that's convenient.

@vivify said
One final question: How do you know when the deep state is responsible for something? Is there a definitive answer or merely guesses?

It's not the "Deep State".

The rest of us just call it "they didn't get their way".

@dood111 said
Yeah, it's responsible for all the Anti-American hate our country feelings the public is being brainwashed into accepting.

If the "Deep State" is all "anti-Americans", then that would mean most of the Republican Party.

@handyandy said
Deep state: Basically, it's a bugaboo
that all these afflicted right-wingers
can blame their problems on.

Yep, the rest of us just call it "excuse-making".

@earl-of-trumps said
agreed. The Russiagate was, in general, including spying on Trump.

Hook, line and sinker.

For someone who claims he's not Republican, you're one of their biggest tools.

@suzianne said
So William Barr is "Deep State"?

I think he is controlled by deep state, yes.

The Durham report, it's been coming any day now - for four years!!!

@suzianne said
If the "Deep State" is all "anti-Americans", then that would mean most of the Republican Party.

put your hate aside. These people have a higher allegiance to their organization than to their political affiliate.
It's where the dems and repubs get along. seriously.

My best guess.... the Masons.

@athousandyoung said
I'm not a "Deep Stater" but I believe they are referring to unelected government workers who remain in their positions as elected Representatives come and go.

We call that the civil service they are supposed to be politically neutral but until the role they play is taken over by robots then we are stuck with biased humans.
The real problem arises when they are political appointees, they should be there on merit and merit alone.

@kevcvs57 - The real problem arises when they are political appointees, they should be there on merit and merit alone.

LOL! And the dems problem with Amy Barrett? Brilliant jurist but.... it's that "R" thing.