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  1. 30 Jan '11 18:35
    Title kinda explains all.

    In my opinion it has to be Ancient Rome
  2. 30 Jan '11 18:50
    Originally posted by Gaigoon
    Title kinda explains all.

    In my opinion it has to be Ancient Rome
    no question about that, Rome stands as unique in the history of the world before the 13th century, but they borrowed heavily from the Greeks and other cultures, so perhaps we shouldn't be too quick to judge.
  3. 30 Jan '11 18:52
    What about Egypt or China or even Greece?
  4. 30 Jan '11 19:06
    What about The Vikings, Inca, or Maya?

    Perhaps we should change the question to "... what we know about". Because if the civilisation didn't have a written language, then we know nothing about them.
    Do we mean only technological civilisations? Because we know nothing about philosofies in non-writing civilisation.

    We sholdn't underestimate the early civilisations, that didn't have written language.
  5. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    30 Jan '11 19:07
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    What about The Vikings, Inca, or Maya?

    Perhaps we should change the question to "... what we know about". Because if the civilisation didn't have a written language, then we know nothing about them.
    Do we mean only technological civilisations? Because we know nothing about philosofies in non-writing civilisation.

    We sholdn't underestimate the early civilisations, that didn't have written language.
    Vikings weren't a civilization.

    It's gotta be Rome or China.
  6. 30 Jan '11 19:11 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Vikings weren't a civilization.

    It's gotta be Rome or China.
    Ancient Greece was more civilised than Ancient Rome - and Rome owed most of its virtues to Greece. Who was it that talked about "the glory that was Greece and the grandeur that was Rome"?

    China is a good contender.

    Ancient Persia is in with a running as the first state (apparently) to advance a concept of human rights and religious freedoms. But I don't know enough about Persian culture to measure it against the others.
  7. 30 Jan '11 19:12
    The Mayas were quite civilised except for human sacrifice and other barbarous practises...
  8. 30 Jan '11 19:21
    Originally posted by Gaigoon
    The Mayas were quite civilised except for human sacrifice and other barbarous practises...
    The civilisation of today uses sharia laws, circumcision (male *and* female), death sentances, dictatorships, discrimination of women and gays and ethnics, some with the aid of laws... do I need to continue? The future will judge us as we judge our past.
  9. 30 Jan '11 19:44 / 1 edit
    My vote is for China.

    I think a lot of Rome's fame is for military conquest, and I am not sure I would necessarily call that the main sign of greatness, though conquering and maintaining colonies does take some skill.

    What is 'a civilization' anyway? Must it all be under a single ruler? A single country? Is Europe today lots of civilizations or only one?
  10. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    30 Jan '11 20:10
    Define 'great'.
  11. 30 Jan '11 21:32
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Define 'great'.
    Great: That set of characteristics that makes my choice the right one.
  12. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    30 Jan '11 21:37 / 1 edit
    Egypt's civilization did last for nearly 4.000 years. Rome's only for 1.000 years (not taking the Holy Roman Empire or Byzantium into consideration).

    The Greeks gave us philosophy and the Romans gave us syphilis (that's what I heard a wiser man than myself once shout, before he was hauled arse over tit out of Fiumicino's lounge).

    Personally, I think European civilization, if you can call it that, is the greatest. The whole middle-ages to the industrial revolution. Even today, Europe is still the best place to live in the world (bar petrol prices).

    EDIT: coming to think of it though, that doesn't really count as "on topic".
    So, F-it. I'll stick with Rome.
  13. Subscriber Helder Octavio
    Luso-brasileiro
    31 Jan '11 00:04
    Originally posted by Gaigoon
    Title kinda explains all.

    In my opinion it has to be Ancient Rome
    Atlantis.
  14. Standard member Soothfast
    0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,
    31 Jan '11 04:48 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Gaigoon
    Title kinda explains all.

    In my opinion it has to be Ancient Rome
    I'll have to go with Numenor, with Mordor a close second.
  15. 31 Jan '11 16:35
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    The Greeks gave us philosophy and the Romans gave us syphilis
    I can't help but think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso