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  1. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    25 Jul '10 23:26 / 4 edits
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/141440/Democrats-Jump-Six-Point-Lead-Generic-Ballot.aspx

    It's only a few months to the mid term elections, and it appears the Republican party's efforts to recapture the House, or at least make some real gains in Congress is beginning to dim. Consider what the G O P has done since the election of 2008:

    1. Played the fear card on the defecit, taxes and national defence (A decades old G O P strategy)

    2. Managed to alienate most minority voters from there party (Not smart!)

    3. Voted against jobless benefits for the unemployed (Didn't work)

    4. Suggested most unemployed people are unemployed because they want to be (With 5-6 people looking for every 1 available job ...how stupid is that?)

    In listening to many Republican lawmakers in the last 18 months, most say that the reason they lost so badly in 2008 was "they didn't get there message out". I would suggest that this was not the case, the real reason the G O P lost so badly, and continues to struggle is "America does not like the Republicans' message"

    Regardless of one's opinion of President Obama, it's becoming clear the G O P is going to have to reevaluate what they are trying to "sell" the American people, because, the majority of American voters are not buying it!

  2. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    25 Jul '10 23:53
    Originally posted by bill718
    1. Played the fear card on the defecit, taxes and national defence (A decades old G O P strategy)
    2. Managed to alienate most minority voters from there party (Not smart!)
    3. Voted against jobless benefits for the unemployed (Didn't work)
    4. Suggested most unemployed people are unemployed because they want to be (With 5-6 people looking for every 1 available job ...how stupid is that?)
    cf: Thatcher circa 1985
  3. Standard member randolph
    the walrus
    26 Jul '10 00:13
    Originally posted by bill718
    Regardless of one's opinion of President Obama, it's becoming clear the G O P is going to have to reevaluate what they are trying to "sell" the American people, because, the majority of American voters are not buying it!

    That's the thing. They ARE buying it, because people aren't seeing the Republicans obstructing programs that are vital to the recovery; they see Michelle Bachmann going on Fox News every Sunday and telling outright lies (which they in turn believe, because somebody said it on TV) which nobody except Jon Stewart bothers to correct them on.
  4. 26 Jul '10 00:19
    Democrats took Congress because of Bush.

    Repulicans take Congress because of Obama.

    It's as simple as that. Bush got Obama elected. Obama will get the next Republican elected.
  5. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    26 Jul '10 00:37
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Democrats took Congress because of Bush.
    Repulicans take Congress because of Obama.
    It's as simple as that. Bush got Obama elected. Obama will get the next Republican elected.
    It's a pity, at a point in the rather familiar cycle of popularity-riding-on-others-ineptitude, and with the result of the November elections being rather predictable, that the Republicans - at this crucial time - should be so unable to truly articulate an alternative or a vision. One wonders if two years of a Republican Congress will "reelect" Obama.
  6. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    26 Jul '10 00:42
    The Democrats are planning to hit the Republicans in their most vulnerable spot right before the election; they will bring to a vote extension of the Bush tax cuts for those making under $250,000 but leave in increases for the wealthy. The Republicans are presently insisting on extending ALL of the Bush cuts, but will they really vote against or even filibuster a bill that will prevent taxes from being raised on 95% of the taxpayers to benefit the top few percent?

    Of course, this is fiscally irresponsible ($2.5 trillion added to the debt over the next decade) but nobody cares about that.
  7. 26 Jul '10 01:01
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Democrats took Congress because of Bush.

    Repulicans take Congress because of Obama.

    It's as simple as that. Bush got Obama elected. Obama will get the next Republican elected.
    If you look at the pattern of this cycle, it extends quite a way back. Its sad but true. Of course, you know what the definition of insanity is don't ya?
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    26 Jul '10 20:07
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    The Democrats are planning to hit the Republicans in their most vulnerable spot right before the election; they will bring to a vote extension of the Bush tax cuts for those making under $250,000 but leave in increases for the wealthy. The Republicans are presently insisting on extending ALL of the Bush cuts, but will they really vote against or even fil ...[text shortened]... rresponsible ($2.5 trillion added to the debt over the next decade) but nobody cares about that.
    This might be what you meant, but just in case it isn't... maintaining the tax cut for the "poorer" 95% is also fiscally irresponsible.
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    26 Jul '10 20:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    This might be what you meant, but just in case it isn't... maintaining the tax cut for the "poorer" 95% is also fiscally irresponsible.
    That is what I meant. I thought the $2.5 trillion price tag made that clear.

    It's still brilliant politics though.
  10. 26 Jul '10 20:16 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    The Democrats are planning to hit the Republicans in their most vulnerable spot right before the election; they will bring to a vote extension of the Bush tax cuts for those making under $250,000 but leave in increases for the wealthy. The Republicans are presently insisting on extending ALL of the Bush cuts, but will they really vote against or even fil ...[text shortened]... rresponsible ($2.5 trillion added to the debt over the next decade) but nobody cares about that.
    It'll be very amusing to watch the GOP pull out all the stops to prevent the Dems from keeping some of the tax cuts in place.

    Because allowing the Dems to pass legislation is the one thing the GOP hates even more than tax hikes.
  11. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    26 Jul '10 20:35
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    It'll be very amusing to watch the GOP pull out all the stops to prevent the Dems from keeping some of the tax cuts in place.

    Because allowing the Dems to pass legislation is the one thing the GOP hates even more than tax hikes.
    The thing is without any legislation, the Bush tax cuts - all of them - expire on December 31st before the new Congress is sworn in. So if the Republicans filibuster or get sufficient votes to stop the Democratic move, everyone's taxes go up on January 1st.

    This is a sound bite Dems are drooling for in last minute campaign adds.
  12. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    26 Jul '10 20:49
    I believe any sort of tax cut (including extending any of the Bush tax cuts) will require a supermajority because it's a tax cut without a corresponding spending cut (this is why the Bush cut had a 10 year sunset).

    Good luck getting 60 votes on this one way or the other.
  13. 26 Jul '10 20:57
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    The thing is without any legislation, the Bush tax cuts - all of them - expire on December 31st before the new Congress is sworn in. So if the Republicans filibuster or get sufficient votes to stop the Democratic move, everyone's taxes go up on January 1st.

    This is a sound bite Dems are drooling for in last minute campaign adds.
    stupid Republican tricks (including the unemployment benefits extension filibuster).

    who's the MOLE?
  14. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    26 Jul '10 21:06
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    stupid Republican tricks (including the unemployment benefits extension filibuster).

    who's the MOLE?
    Probably Lindsey Graham
  15. 26 Jul '10 21:19
    Originally posted by sh76
    Good luck getting 60 votes on this one way or the other.
    it's one of the rare times when I have great faith in Congress to do the right thing by being almost totally unable to do anything at all.