@Rajk999 saidYes you said Jesus Christ is the nobleman, and that he ordered his followers to kill his enemies who did not want him to be king, and that he never ordered anyone to kill anyone.
I did not need to Google an explanation.
I said the same thing above long before you did.
There is no instruction for disciples to go around killing people.
We can all see what you said.
@AThousandYoung saidIs that an instruction for disciples of Christ or Jews to go around killing people?
The nobleman, who is Jesus Christ, saysBut those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.
That's a pretty clear instruction. Spin it how you want. It's clear to those with ears to hear.
@fornichessate removed their quoted postMany of the theologists I listen to are on youtube actually.
@AThousandYoung saidYou seem to think it is. This is an event which will take place at the return of Christ. So it is not applicable in any environment now. There are no Christians or Jews who believe that Christ has returned.
Are you illiterate?
@AThousandYoung saidSome excellent theologians:
Many of the theologists I listen to are on youtube actually.
This one (JewBoi) is a rabbi but he posts for fun
@Rajk999 saidIt is a direct command with no qualifiers about any returning of Jesus.
You seem to think it is. This is an event which will take place at the return of Christ. So it is not applicable in any environment now. There are no Christians or Jews who believe that Christ has returned.
You're doing what's called "negotiating with the text to make sense of the lack of univocality".
@AThousandYoung saidHere are some verses from the Quran about killing people:
Yes you said Jesus Christ is the nobleman, and that he ordered his followers to kill his enemies who did not want him to be king, and that he never ordered anyone to kill anyone.
We can all see what you said.
Quran 5:51 - O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as guardians—they are guardians of each other. Whoever does so will be counted as one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.
Surah 9:29 - Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Quran 9:5 - But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever you find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
There are over a hundred verses of the Koran that call Muslims to wage war against nonbelievers to establish or preserve Islamic rule. Muslims who do not join the fight against nonbelievers are called hypocrites - those who believe but are unwilling to spread that belief.
@AThousandYoung saidI dont need to justify the thousands of sects of Christianity. My doctrine and beliefs come from Christ.
Gnostic Christians believe God AKA YHWH is a flawed and evil lesser deity.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe Jesus is not God.
Mormons believe they will turn into gods after death and rule over a planet of humans.
I wonder how Rajk fits them into his view of Christianity.
@Rajk999 saidBut there's no context to take into account in the Quran, unlike the Bible, right?
Here are some verses from the Quran about killing people:
Quran 5:51 - O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as guardians—they are guardians of each other. Whoever does so will be counted as one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.
Surah 9:29 - Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been for ...[text shortened]... inst nonbelievers are called hypocrites - those who believe but are unwilling to spread that belief.
@AThousandYoung saidThe parable speaks of the return of the nobleman. If Jesus is the nobleman, then the parable speaks of Jesus's return. You are taking out pieces of a parable and using that part only to claim there is an instruction to go around killing people.
It is a direct command with no qualifiers about any returning of Jesus.
You're doing what's called "negotiating with the text to make sense of the lack of univocality".
Low integrity debaters do that.
@AThousandYoung saidPlease provide the context then. I will have a read your context, and I wont jump to conclusions like you are doing with the Luke 19 parable.
But there's no context to take into account in the Quran, unlike the Bible, right?
Take your time.