@AThousandYoung saidYou are pretty low to mock a persons belief.
Check it out everyone. We got a prophet here! God talks to him directly in his head!
Who are you to say anything about another’s religious beliefs? Argue what is written in the books yes, beliefs no.
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@Rajk999 saidYou quote Quran 9:5, but you leave out the rest of chapter 9.
Here are some verses from the Quran about killing people:
Quran 5:51 - O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as guardians—they are guardians of each other. Whoever does so will be counted as one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.
Surah 9:29 - Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been for ...[text shortened]... inst nonbelievers are called hypocrites - those who believe but are unwilling to spread that belief.
9.4. Except for those among the polytheists with whom you had made a treaty, and did not violate any of its terms, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill the treaty with them to the end of its term. God loves the righteous.
5. When the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever you find them. And capture them, and besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayers, and pay the alms, then let them go their way. God is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.
6. And if anyone of the polytheists asks you for protection, give him protection so that he may hear the Word of God; then escort him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
7. How can there be a treaty with the polytheists on the part of God and His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at the Sacred Mosque? As long as they are upright with you, be upright with them. God loves the pious.
So if they make a treaty with Muslims at the Sacred Mosque and fulfil their end of the bargain, if they are upright with you, if they ask you for protection, you don't touch them.
Arab Christians call God Allah. Why would they call a different god by the same name?
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@Mott-The-Hoople saidDo you hear voices in your head telling you to kill Muslims like Rajk does?
You are pretty low to mock a persons belief.
Who are you to say anything about another’s religious beliefs? Argue what is written in the books yes, beliefs no.
@AThousandYoung saidGod speaks to all people some directly and some through the prophets and some through Christ. Maybe you should listen, instead of thinking you know it all.
Check it out everyone. We got a prophet here! God talks to him directly in his head!
God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; (Heb 1:1-2 KJV)
@AThousandYoung saidLol .. good one. So you have to make a treaty with these Muslim invaders otherwise the alternative is death. I got it. Thanks for the context.
You quote Quran 9:5, but you leave out the rest of chapter 9.
[quote]9.4. Except for those among the polytheists with whom you had made a treaty, and did not violate any of its terms, nor aided anyone against you. So fulfill the treaty with them to the end of its term. God loves the righteous.
5. When the Sacred Months have passed, kill the polytheists wherever y ...[text shortened]... ouch them.
Arab Christians call God Allah. Why would they call a different god by the same name?
@Mott-The-Hoople saidI feel fully justified in criticizing irrational and destructive beliefs. I will not obey your order.
You are pretty low to mock a persons belief.
Who are you to say anything about another’s religious beliefs? Argue what is written in the books yes, beliefs no.
@AThousandYoung saidThere is no instruction for colonial Europeans to kill American Indians. They were WRONG. It was a grave sin and was never condoned by God.
Interestingly Rajk has no problem with Christian colonialists slaughtering polytheist American Indians and taking their land in the name of "progress" and "saving their souls". I guess only Christians are allowed to slaughter unbelievers in the name of God.
I notice that I posted atrocities being currently committed by Islam and you never once said it is wrong. You ignored it. Clearly you have some affiliation to Islam.
@AThousandYoung saidI never said I hear instructions to kill Muslims. I said that Muslims who go around killing people are murderers and must be stopped.
Do you hear voices in your head telling you to kill Muslims like Rajk does?
@Rajk999 saidIt is absolutely wrong but I don't see Muslims here defending those acts.
There is no instruction for colonial Europeans to kill American Indians. They were WRONG. It was a grave sin and was never condoned by God.
I notice that I posted atrocities being currently committed by Islam and you never once said it is wrong. You ignored it. Clearly you have some affiliation to Islam.
You defend colonialism all the time. How do you think they colonized these polytheists? You think they should have done it without killing anyone? How?!
@AThousandYoung saidThe passage is saying that the polytheists must be converted. They must do the Muslim prayers and worship Allah. Read the wording of the Quran.
According to those passages any polytheist who asks for protection and/or acts in an upright manner are not to be harmed.
So its convert or die.
@AThousandYoung saidYou are a twister. Carry on. Im done.
You said you communicate with Christ directly and that's how you know what the Bible "really" means,
@AThousandYoung saidI know you do…you are not morally equal
I feel fully justified in criticizing irrational and destructive beliefs. I will not obey your order.
You have no standards