10 Jan 05
I'm curious to know the truth. Let's hear it.
And no replies saying, "Tra-la-la, we are all God's children and we are equal in his glorious eyes." Bull-honkey! If that were true then Man would have no problem unifying the church under one big pan-Christian authority. This is a debate.
Why is one particular sect of Christianity God's favourite?
Or alternatively, why is one particular sect of Christianity a crock?
Personally, I feel the Catholic church has been corrupt for so long and is only interested in the "numbers" - dollars and members. I know more unholy, fence-sitting, self-described "Catholics" than I can count. I feel that anybody who professes Roman Catholicism to be the one true faith is completely delusional and is in need of psychoanalysis.
Any comments?
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Originally posted by darvlayAny comments. Hmmm.
I'm curious to know the truth. Let's hear it.
And no replies saying, "Tra-la-la, we are all God's children and we are equal in his glorious eyes." Bull-honkey! If that were true then Man would have no problem unifying the ...[text shortened]... tely delusional and is in need of psychoanalysis.
Any comments?
How would anyone know which church was best?
When I was a mormon missionary, I handed them a book of mormon and told them to pray. And to ask (God) that very question.
The power of suggestion. If they were convinced that I was a man of god, then the answer was "the Mormon church".
I suspect it works this way for all religion. Not just Christianity. That is why understanding our "chimpness" is so vital.
10 Jan 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWySo you feel that the Chruch of Chimp is God's favourite?
Any comments. Hmmm.
How would anyone know which church was best?
When I was a mormon missionary, I handed them a book of mormon and told them to pray. And to ask that very question.
The power of suggestion. If they were convinced that I was a man of god, then the answer was "the Mormon church".
I suspect it works this way for all religion. Not just Christianity. That is why understanding our "chimpness" is so vital.
Wait a second!
You were a mormon?
10 Jan 05
Originally posted by darvlayActually, the only TRUE CHURCH is the "Grand Church Of The NFL". I attend religiously. So to speak.
So you feel that the Chruch of Chimp is God's favourite?
Wait a second!
You were a mormon?
Yea. I was a n'th generation Mormon. My great, great, great granpa shumway drove the first wagon across the frozen river leaving Illinois to scout ahead for Brigham Young on the trek west in 1847.
I am just a run of the mill apostate mormon now. But I was a missionary in Texas for two years. Baptized twenty-three people into the LDS church. Baptists, Church Of Christ, Catholic and Pentacostal.
Surprised?
10 Jan 05
Originally posted by darvlayIt depends what you're looking for in the word "best", really.
I'm curious to know the truth. Let's hear it.
And no replies saying, "Tra-la-la, we are all God's children and we are equal in his glorious eyes." Bull-honkey! If that were true then Man would have no problem unifying the church under one big pan-Christian authority. This is a debate.
Why is one particular sect of Christianity God's ...[text shortened]... e the one true faith is completely delusional and is in need of psychoanalysis.
Any comments?
I suppose one could debate that a certain church may be the "best" one for a particular person at a particular stage of his/her life. This is, of course, quite subjective.
One could also argue that certain churches/denominations are the "best" because they have the best Sunday worship sessions, best preachers, best music etc.
To say the Catholic Church cannot be the "best" Church because it has corrupt members is like saying that democracy cannot be the best system of Government because Bush Jr has been re-elected President. "Best" does not necessarily imply perfection.
Personally, I think that, if one is going to be Christian, one must be Catholic.
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Originally posted by darvlayI went to school in Virginia, right between the Holy Empires of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. Both of their institutions are a crock, little more than evil corporations operating under the guise of religion, and their respective "universities" are even worse.
Or alternatively, why is one particular sect of Christianity a crock?
Personally, I feel the Catholic church has been corrupt for so long and is only interested in the "numbers" - dollars and members.
10 Jan 05
OK, if I had to pick a church after my own Apostolic Church of the Righteous Attitude, I would probably be an Episcopalian. Why you ask? Well you never hear about them making a public ass of themselves. They have an openly gay bishop so they're moving in the right direction. Episcopalians are the most affluent denomination so you never have to endure a lot of talk about giving money. Alcohol and cigarettes are OK. They are tolerant of differing views, but slightly more conservative than the Unitarian Universalists. And finally, it is no secret that they have the best music and probably the most educated clergy.
10 Jan 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerThe word "best" is open to your own interpretation. I wouldn't want to limit the discussion by limiting your choices.
It depends what you're looking for in the word "best", really.
I suppose one could debate that a certain church may be the "best" one for a particular person at a particular stage of his/her life. This is, of course, quite subjective.
One could also argue that certain churches/denominations are the "best" because they have the best Sunday ...[text shortened]... perfection.
Personally, I think that, if one is going to be Christian, one must be Catholic.
Could you please elaborate as to why Catholicism is your choice?
10 Jan 05
Originally posted by kirksey957So you believe God maintains the same liberal attitude as yourself? If that's the case then why have a church at all? The Episcopalian church sounds like nothing more than an orgy of hedonism. Sounds like a typical lesson in Episcopalian belief would go like, "We know y'all don't want to be those kinds of Christians that can't have any fun so just try your best! That's all God asks!" Am I far off on this?
OK, if I had to pick a church after my own Apostolic Church of the Righteous Attitude, I would probably be an Episcopalian. Why you ask? Well you never hear about them making a public ass of themselves. They have an openly gay bishop so they're moving in the right direction. Episcopalians are the most affluent denomination so you never have to endure ...[text shortened]... nd finally, it is no secret that they have the best music and probably the most educated clergy.
10 Jan 05
Originally posted by StarValleyWyMost definitely!
Actually, the only TRUE CHURCH is the "Grand Church Of The NFL". I attend religiously. So to speak.
Yea. I was a n'th generation Mormon. My great, great, great granpa shumway drove the first wagon across the frozen river leaving Illinois to scout ahead for Brigham Young on the trek west in 1847.
I am just a run of the mill apostate mormon now. ...[text shortened]... people into the LDS church. Baptists, Church Of Christ, Catholic and Pentacostal.
Surprised?
Is it true that Joseph Smith had his first vision from God whilst digging for buried treasure in a Tennessee forest?
10 Jan 05
Originally posted by darvlayI would never describe them as an "orgy of hedonism." They would never say "y'all." Give them a try and see what you think.
So you believe God maintains the same liberal attitude as yourself? If that's the case then why have a church at all? The Episcopalian church sounds like nothing more than an orgy of hedonism. Sounds like a typical lesson in Episcopalian belief would go like, "We know y'all don't want to be those kinds of Christians that can't have any fun so just try your best! That's all God asks!" Am I far off on this?
10 Jan 05
Originally posted by darvlaySimply because, if God were going to go through all the trouble of saving mankind by becoming man Himself, then He wouldn't just return without leaving some form of body, institution or "embassy" behind to continue to guide people. Further, He would also ensure that this institution would last and not get wiped out by the first threat it faces. Sifting through all the candidates, the Catholic Church is the only one which qualifies to be a "true Church of Jesus", if there is one.
The word "best" is open to your own interpretation. I wouldn't want to limit the discussion by limiting your choices.
Could you please elaborate as to why Catholicism is your choice?
10 Jan 05
Originally posted by darvlayGiggle.
Most definitely!
Is it true that Joseph Smith had his first vision from God whilst digging for buried treasure in a Tennessee forest?
Which version do you want? The "official" one or my guess?
Officially. He was a boy of 15 who prayed to learn "Which church is correct"? It was in "The Sacred Grove" on the family farm in Palmyra, New York.
My version. Well. He was a kid with a spark. He had a magnetic personality and understood the gullible nature of man from and early age. Just like me. The difference end there. I wanted to earn my way. He wanted fame and fortune.
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Originally posted by lucifershammer"if there is one" - therein lies the rub!
Simply because, if God were going to go through all the trouble of saving mankind by becoming man Himself, then He wouldn't just return without leaving some form of body, institution or "embassy" behind to continue to guide people ...[text shortened]... which qualifies to be a "true Church of Jesus", if there is one.
If that is your criteria, then by the same token would Jesus let this same church become corrupt? And would he support a papal system without mentioning the need for one in his teachings?
And while God may intend for His church to be everlasting and "indestructible", would it not be the same Church it was upon conception?
Just some thoughts.