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Who said they would use nukes first?

Who said they would use nukes first?

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@kevcvs57
Now is Reuters lying now? LOL!


@metal-brain said
Libya was an invasion.
Stop lying.

You said every single country on the earth. Say what you mean.
No it wasn’t stop lying or show me the battalions of western armies fighting there. You clearly do not know the difference between an assault and an invasion. Iraq was an invasion / occupation, Afghanistan was an invasion / occupation.
Libya was exactly what Putin is pretending his invasion / occupation of Ukraine is, a very limited military operation to achieve very limited specific goals the main one being the grounding of Libyas airforce so it could not be used on its own civilian population.
Stop lying and stop being an idiot just because your imperialist regime is getting its ass handed to it.


@metal-brain said
You are lying. Putin said this:

" President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday ordered Russia's first mobilization since World War Two and backed a plan to annex swathes of Ukraine, warning the West he was not bluffing when he said he'd be ready to use nuclear weapons to defend Russia."


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-signs-decree-mobilisation-says-west-wants- ...[text shortened]... iar. Everybody says they are willing to use nukes to defend. That is what nukes are for. Stop lying!
Oh you utter retard he’s in the process of incorporating huge swathes of Ukraine by fake referenda into Russia that’s what he means when says defend Russia you halfwit, he means defend the territories he’s stolen from Ukraine.
He’s threatening to use tactical nukes to stop the Ukrainian offensive from taking those territories back 🙄


@metal-brain said
@kevcvs57
Now is Reuters lying now? LOL!
No your just not intellectually capable of understanding what Reuters is saying, try their Russian language website it might be easier for you to read.
No one is attacking Russia, Russian troops are being and will be attacked because they are occupying someone else’s territory.
Screw the mobilisation and if Russia wants its cities burnt to a crisp so be it there’s not much the west can do given that its already NOT ATTACKING RUSSIA!


@metal-brain said
Putin said it was not a bluff.
Don't you believe him?
Putin is a nuclear terrorist and you're trying to blame Truss.

get bent.


@Metal-Brain said He(Putin) said to "defend Russia"

And in his mind, attacking troops in what WE call Ukraine is an attack on Russia. HellooOOooooooooo

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@shavixmir said
The West’s rhetoric and proxy war on Russia are indeed flaming the fans of tension.
Bull.

Putin threatened nukes well before Liz Truss was any more than a stain on the fundament of Johnson.

Putin is to blame, fully and wholly. Nobody else, except his apologists like Metal, Marauder, and you.

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@metal-brain said
Truss made nuclear threats first.
Do you deny that?
Yes.

By several months.

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@metal-brain said
@kevcvs57
Now is Reuters lying now? LOL!
No.

Once again, you're intentionally leaving out a level of reporting.

Reuters did not lie.
Reuters reported, truthfully, on Putin's lies.


@shallow-blue said
Bull.

Putin threatened nukes well before Liz Truss was any more than a stain on the fundament of Johnson.

Putin is to blame, fully and wholly. Nobody else, except his apologists like Metal, Marauder, and you.
What is your source of information?

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@shallow-blue said
No.

Once again, you're intentionally leaving out a level of reporting.

Reuters did not lie.
Reuters reported, truthfully, on Putin's lies.
So Putin said he would leave all options on the table to defend Russia. Everybody says that. Putin said what everybody with nukes says.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/274730-trump-says-he-would-not-take-nuclear-off-the-table-in-any-situation/

He didn't start anything.

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@metal-brain said
So Putin said he would leave all options on the table to defend Russia. Everybody says that. Putin said what everybody with nukes says.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/274730-trump-says-he-would-not-take-nuclear-off-the-table-in-any-situation/

He didn't start anything.
But Truss daring to address the question that every PM has to address without any particular regime / nation or person in mind or mentioned has somehow threatened Russia with nukes simply by assuring the electorate that if the circumstances warranted it she would authorise the use of the UK’s nuclear deterrent"
ITS PART OF HER JOB TO CLARIFY HER STANCE ON NUCLEAR WEAPON USE.
STOP LYING AND STOP BEING STUPID
PUTUN THREATENED THE USE OF NUKES RUGHT AT THE START OF HIS INVASION OF UKRAINE, HES JUST DONE IT AGAIN BUT THIS TIME HE THINKS BLATANTLY FAKE REFERENDA GUVES HIM THE RIGHT TO CALL EASTERN UKRAINE RUSSIA AND DEFEND HIS FORCES FROM CONVENTIONAL ATTACK BY REPLYING WITH NUKES.

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@kevcvs57 said
But Truss daring to address the question that every PM has to address without any particular regime / nation or person in mind or mentioned has somehow threatened Russia with nukes simply by assuring the electorate that if the circumstances warranted it she would authorise the use of the UK’s nuclear deterrent"
ITS PART OF HER JOB TO CLARIFY HER STANCE ON NUCLEAR WEAPON USE ...[text shortened]... CALL EASTERN UKRAINE RUSSIA AND DEFEND HIS FORCES FROM CONVENTIONAL ATTACK BY REPLYING WITH NUKES.
Obama declared “all options on the table” against Iran.

President Kennedy threatened a nuclear strike at the Soviets over Berlin.
In 1946 and 1948 President Harry Truman threatened the Soviets over Iran and Berlin, respectively, and the Chinese in 1950 and 51.

President Eisenhower also threatened the Chinese over Korea in 1953, and again in 1956 over Quemoy and Matsu. He offered the French nukes to use against the Vietnamese at Dienbienphu in 1954.

Jimmy Carter issued the Carter Doctrine, reaffirmed by Ronald Reagan which committed the US to a nuclear response if its vital interests in the Middle East were ever threatened.

In a trip to Seoul, South Korea, Bill Clinton said that if North Korea gained and used a nuclear weapon “we would quickly and overwhelmingly retaliate.”

“It would mean the end of their country as they know it,” he said, according to a New York Times report at that time.

The North Korean government subsequently responded angrily and in kind to the threat from the new president.

“The United States must ponder over the fatal consequences that might arise from its rash act,” the government said in a statement. “If anyone dares to provoke us, we will immediately show him in practice what our bold decision is.”

https://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/13/world/clinton-s-warning-irks-north-korea.html

Nuclear threats are an American tradition, kind of like your monarchy. We don't know why we need threats like that, but it is tradition. You don't need royals, but it is a tradition. Why question traditions?

Be realistic. What good are nukes if you cannot intimidate others with them? What good is having nukes if you tell the world you will never use them?

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@metal-brain said
What is your source of information?
Being alive and awake for the last couple of years?

Putin has definitely threatened, or pretended to threaten, or pretended not to threaten - in practice, it all comes to the same thing - to nuke the entirety of Europe several times since he started raping Ukraine.

Liz Truss has only been Prime Monster for a couple of weeks.

If you can't solve that equation, you might as well believe that Churchill threatened to kill Napoleon.


@shallow-blue said
Being alive and awake for the last couple of years?

Putin has definitely threatened, or pretended to threaten, or pretended not to threaten - in practice, it all comes to the same thing - to nuke the entirety of Europe several times since he started raping Ukraine.

Liz Truss has only been Prime Monster for a couple of weeks.

If you can't solve that equation, you might as well believe that Churchill threatened to kill Napoleon.
Obama declared “all options on the table” against Iran.

President Kennedy threatened a nuclear strike at the Soviets over Berlin.
In 1946 and 1948 President Harry Truman threatened the Soviets over Iran and Berlin, respectively, and the Chinese in 1950 and 51.

President Eisenhower also threatened the Chinese over Korea in 1953, and again in 1956 over Quemoy and Matsu. He offered the French nukes to use against the Vietnamese at Dienbienphu in 1954.

Jimmy Carter issued the Carter Doctrine, reaffirmed by Ronald Reagan which committed the US to a nuclear response if its vital interests in the Middle East were ever threatened.

In a trip to Seoul, South Korea, Bill Clinton said that if North Korea gained and used a nuclear weapon “we would quickly and overwhelmingly retaliate.”

“It would mean the end of their country as they know it,” he said, according to a New York Times report at that time.

The North Korean government subsequently responded angrily and in kind to the threat from the new president.

“The United States must ponder over the fatal consequences that might arise from its rash act,” the government said in a statement. “If anyone dares to provoke us, we will immediately show him in practice what our bold decision is.”

https://www.nytimes.com/1993/07/13/world/clinton-s-warning-irks-north-korea.html

Nuclear threats are an American tradition. Everybody does it.