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Originally posted by bolshevikNow this is an interesting question. What makes one dictator worse than any others? A body count perhaps? In the case of Hitler vs. Stalin you would then say that Stalin was the worse of the two if you were judging by body count. However, Hilter, I think, is painted as much more of a villan than Stalin because of the methods of execution and the way he went about targeting people based on race and sexual preference etc. You could also argue that Hitler was worse based on the fact he started WW2 when he invaded Poland. Then again, Stalin had a secret agreement with Hitler to divide Poland once it was taken. So in effect, they both had a hand in its conquest.
Saddam was no worse than many other dictators. The difference was that he was sitting on a big barrel of oil.
In the case of Saddam, he also started a war when he invaded Kuwait and Iran. As far as body count goes, however, does any one have a rough estimate for a body count? Also the method, much like Hitler, should be counted I think. For example, Saddam used WMD's and killed entire villages with woman and children much like Hitler and his death camps killed women and children.
Originally posted by whodeyAnd who gave Saddam the WMD?- the american government.
Now this is an interesting question. What makes one dictator worse than any others? A body count perhaps? In the case of Hitler vs. Stalin you would then say that Stalin was the worse of the two if you were judging by body count. However, Hilter, I think, is painted as much more of a villan than Stalin because of the methods of execution and the way he we ...[text shortened]... illages with woman and children much like Hitler and his death camps killed women and children.
Also, when comparing the numbers of Kurds, Iranians and Kuwaitis, relative to the numbers killed due to the US sanctions imposed after 1990 and its sustained bombing campaign, the 2003 invasion and its aftermath, I would say far more died as a result of US foreign policy- after all, Saddam only came to power after the US let him.
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Originally posted by wedgehead2Now in all fairness Saddam was SUPPOSE to have used those WMD's on those pesky Iranians which he did to some degree and not on the Kurdish population. Perhaps he got confused and aimed them in the wrong direction. Anyhew, he had his chance to do the dirty work of the US government but he blew it. Now the US government will have to do its own dirty work and deal with those pesky Iranians themselves.
And who gave Saddam the WMD?- the american government.
Also, when comparing the numbers of Kurds, Iranians and Kuwaitis, relative to the numbers killed due to the US sanctions imposed after 1990 and its sustained bombing campaign, the 2003 invasion and its aftermath, I would say far more died as a result of US foreign policy- after all, Saddam only came to power after the US let him.
Originally posted by wedgehead2Those snactions were U.N. canstions, not U.S. sanctions. Blaming the U.S. is a petty cheap shot and you have to distort the truth to say it. You're better than that.
And who gave Saddam the WMD?- the american government.
Also, when comparing the numbers of Kurds, Iranians and Kuwaitis, relative to the numbers killed due to the US sanctions imposed after 1990 and its sustained bombing campaign, the 2003 invasion and its aftermath, I would say far more died as a result of US foreign policy- after all, Saddam only came to power after the US let him.
Most of us in the U.S. called it the U.N. oil-for-palaces program. The fact that Saddam used the money to biuld massive palaces and stock them with golden toilets is not the fault of the U.N.
Saddam bought a lot of medicine with that money too. Guess what happened to that medicine. It got sold to other countries at a discount so Saddam could put the money in his pocket! There was so much Iraqi medication in Jordan that they stopped giving the choice between brand name and generic as we do here and instead started giving the choice between prescription and Iraqi.
He brought in more than enough money to help his people. He made the choice to spend it on himself.
You're statement is a disgusting disregard for the truth.
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Originally posted by wedgehead2Numbers, I need numbers!! Not that any are reliable or even matter but they are fun to play with, no?
And who gave Saddam the WMD?- the american government.
Also, when comparing the numbers of Kurds, Iranians and Kuwaitis, relative to the numbers killed due to the US sanctions imposed after 1990 and its sustained bombing campaign, the 2003 invasion and its aftermath, I would say far more died as a result of US foreign policy- after all, Saddam only came to power after the US let him.
Originally posted by wedgehead2The U.S. let him come to power??????
And who gave Saddam the WMD?- the american government.
Also, when comparing the numbers of Kurds, Iranians and Kuwaitis, relative to the numbers killed due to the US sanctions imposed after 1990 and its sustained bombing campaign, the 2003 invasion and its aftermath, I would say far more died as a result of US foreign policy- after all, Saddam only came to power after the US let him.
Should the U.S, have contacted a psychic to see if he was going to kill his way to the top and eventually be known as "The Butcher of Bagdad"?
Hate America all you want, but you've gone beyond reason with that one.
Originally posted by MerkIts the Noam Chomsky books I'm reading- they're corrupting me! 😲
The U.S. let him come to power??????
Should the U.S, have contacted a psychic to see if he was going to kill his way to the top and eventually be known as "The Butcher of Bagdad"?
Hate America all you want, but you've gone beyond reason with that one.
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Originally posted by MerkI think you will find that the all of the worlds problems stem largely from whatever group you hate the most. For example, if you were an islamo-facist, all of the world problems should be blamed on the Zionists and those who support them such as the US as well as those infidels not of the faith. If you are an atheist all of the worlds problems stem from religion. If you are in the Bush cabinet, all of the worlds problems arise from islamo-faciets etc. In other words, the problems of the world are never a result of our involvement, rather, it is always a fight against others mistakes. So each group needs to find a dictator to rally around and kill the others off!!!!!!! You see, looking inward can be frightening to say the least. And if we ever accomplished our goal of killing off all of our enemies so that no outsiders were left to blame, we would then turn on ourselves. So be careful what you wish for because you may get it.
The U.S. let him come to power??????
Should the U.S, have contacted a psychic to see if he was going to kill his way to the top and eventually be known as "The Butcher of Bagdad"?
Hate America all you want, but you've gone beyond reason with that one.
Originally posted by MerkYes, the US was in control of Saddam coming to power. Just as the US is in control of Iraq today.
The U.S. let him come to power??????
Should the U.S, have contacted a psychic to see if he was going to kill his way to the top and eventually be known as "The Butcher of Bagdad"?
Hate America all you want, but you've gone beyond reason with that one.
Originally posted by MerkAnd your statement is a disgusting disregard for grammar.
Those snactions were U.N. canstions, not U.S. sanctions. Blaming the U.S. is a petty cheap shot and you have to distort the truth to say it. You're better than that.
Most of us in the U.S. called it the U.N. oil-for-palaces program. The fact that Saddam used the money to biuld massive palaces and stock them with golden toilets is not the fault of the U.N. ...[text shortened]... e choice to spend it on himself.
You're statement is a disgusting disregard for the truth.
Originally posted by whodeyHa ha, just a joke Whodey - you know I love ya really!
Scotty, I'm hurt that you would even suggest such a thing. Despite this, however, I will endevour to make whatever I have to do next to you as painless as possible for you. After all, I have a soft spot for men of science.