@no1marauder saidonce the student visa is revoked you have no rights. best to not do anything to get your visa revoked.
The first sentence is dead wrong. Read the 5th Amendment for example.
And Rubio is wrong, too. International students are protected by the First Amendment.https://www.nafsa.org/professional-resources/browse-by-interest/immigration-and-visa-implications-first-amendment
Cases challenging these unconstitutional policies are already working through the courts.https://ww ...[text shortened]... om/story/news/2025/03/26/rutgers-faculty-union-first-amendment-lawsuit-trump-protesters/82660105007/
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@uzless saidI mean, we had a loooong national debate about this 25 years ago when the Bush administration was attempting to detain foreign agitators presumed to be terrorists without trial or legal protections. Then, the only legal pathways was imprisonment outside the USA. Voila, we get Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
once the student visa is revoked you have no rights. best to not do anything to get your visa revoked.
At that time, it was extremely controversial whether this was legal or not, and there was a lot of work done to actually provide the terrorists with lawyers and judges and juries to evaluate the evidence of their criminality. In other words, the general consensus was that they had rights.
The juxtaposition of that debate relative to this one is striking. We have come a long way towards tyranny, oppressive power.
@wildgrass saidThe thing dictators never learn is that they always end up fleeing the country, eventually, just like the Shah of Iran and Assad of Syria. That's how Trump's term will end too, if the GOP doesn't find their balls and remove him constitutionally first.
I mean, we had a loooong national debate about this 25 years ago when the Bush administration was attempting to detain foreign agitators presumed to be terrorists without trial or legal protections. Then, the only legal pathways was imprisonment outside the USA. Voila, we get Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
At that time, it was extremely controversial whether this was legal or not ...[text shortened]... debate relative to this one is striking. We have come a long way towards tyranny, oppressive power.
@moonbus saidYeah, I also do not understand the appeal.
The thing dictators never learn is that they always end up fleeing the country, eventually, just like the Shah of Iran and Assad of Syria. That's how Trump's term will end too, if the GOP doesn't find their balls and remove him constitutionally first.
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@moonbus saidIf Trump lasts the 20-40 years those dictators did we will have already lost long before he flees anywhere.
The thing dictators never learn is that they always end up fleeing the country, eventually, just like the Shah of Iran and Assad of Syria. That's how Trump's term will end too, if the GOP doesn't find their balls and remove him constitutionally first.
@moonbus saidThey don't always manage to flee. Mussolini was shot and his body hung by its feet for the sport of crows and spitting passers-by. Hitler poisoned himself and his body burned to ashes amidst the rubble of Berlin.
The thing dictators never learn is that they always end up fleeing the country, eventually, just like the Shah of Iran and Assad of Syria. That's how Trump's term will end too, if the GOP doesn't find their balls and remove him constitutionally first.
Looking forward to that part of history repeating itself, at least.
@AThousandYoung saidGiven his lifestyle choices, it is not likely he will last anywhere near that long.
If Trump lasts the 20-40 years those dictators did we will have already lost long before he flees anywhere.
@wildgrass saidDictators never reckon with their own downfall. A narcissist simply cannot imagine his own defeat.It takes a narcissistic personality type to claw his way into that sort of position in the first place.
Yeah, I also do not understand the appeal.
@Soothfast saidMussolini lasted 26 years. Please don’t curse us with 2+ decades of Trump.
They don't always manage to flee. Mussolini was shot and his body hung by its feet for the sport of crows and spitting passers-by. Hitler poisoned himself and his body burned to ashes amidst the rubble of Berlin.
Looking forward to that part of history repeating itself, at least.