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  1. 16 Feb '10 13:49
    They carped and moaned about backroom deals and now when they have been offered a transparent meeting in full view of the American people they suddenly are concerned about the size of the room and whether the participants minds can be wiped before it starts. They have no solution to the insurance problem. Why don't they just admit it instead of telling such transparent lies?
  2. 16 Feb '10 14:19
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    They carped and moaned about backroom deals and now when they have been offered a transparent meeting in full view of the American people they suddenly are concerned about the size of the room and whether the participants minds can be wiped before it starts. They have no solution to the insurance problem. Why don't they just admit it instead of telling such transparent lies?
    newsflash: everybody in politics lies.
  3. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    16 Feb '10 16:20
    It's Fox News' fault.
  4. 16 Feb '10 16:43
    The Republicans know the health care system is broken, but their electorate does not want it to be changed, and they simply follow what their electorate wants.
  5. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    16 Feb '10 16:48
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    They carped and moaned about backroom deals and now when they have been offered a transparent meeting in full view of the American people they suddenly are concerned about the size of the room and whether the participants minds can be wiped before it starts. They have no solution to the insurance problem. Why don't they just admit it instead of telling such transparent lies?
    That's a lot of strawmen for a short a post. Congratulations.
  6. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    16 Feb '10 16:51
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    That's a lot of strawmen for a short a post. Congratulations.
    Tough to take any question seriously when it assumes the proposition that it sets out to prove; isn't it?
  7. Standard member smw6869online
    Granny
    16 Feb '10 16:54
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    They carped and moaned about backroom deals and now when they have been offered a transparent meeting in full view of the American people they suddenly are concerned about the size of the room and whether the participants minds can be wiped before it starts. They have no solution to the insurance problem. Why don't they just admit it instead of telling such transparent lies?
    Sit ! Siiiiiit down ! Go get your leash ! Get your leash ! Good booooooy ! Now Granny'll take you for a walk.

    GRANNY.
  8. 16 Feb '10 17:02
    Originally posted by sh76
    Tough to take any question seriously when it assumes the proposition that it sets out to prove; isn't it?
    Why are you beating your wife?
  9. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    16 Feb '10 17:10 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    Tough to take any question seriously when it assumes the proposition that it sets out to prove; isn't it?
    Yep. But since we're talking about evil lying Rethuglicans, did you happen to catch that speech by Christie the other day? It was a like a declaration of war.

    http://www.njn.net/news/coverage/2010/budgetspeech.html

    EDIT: Transcript at RedState if you'd rather read it.

    http://www.redstate.com/mark_i/2010/02/15/that-christie-speech/
  10. Standard member smw6869online
    Granny
    16 Feb '10 17:10
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Why are you beating your wife?
    why is their sex life any business of yours ? FREAK !

    GRANNY.
  11. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    16 Feb '10 17:19 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Yep. But since we're talking about evil lying Rethuglicans, did you happen to catch that speech by Christie the other day? It was a like a declaration of war.

    http://www.njn.net/news/coverage/2010/budgetspeech.html

    EDIT: Transcript at RedState if you'd rather read it.

    http://www.redstate.com/mark_i/2010/02/15/that-christie-speech/
    Go Chris!

    And when Chris goes, others best get out of the way.


































    I'm sorry; I just can't help myself.
  12. 16 Feb '10 17:30
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    They carped and moaned about backroom deals and now when they have been offered a transparent meeting in full view of the American people they suddenly are concerned about the size of the room and whether the participants minds can be wiped before it starts. They have no solution to the insurance problem. Why don't they just admit it instead of telling such transparent lies?
    I would have to say, there is no solution to the Health care problem...No total solution. But they have ideas they want to show.
    Bottom line, the best plan is one everyone will get on board with, which allows for adapting as you go along. Something doesn;t work, tweak it some.
    Don't try to bite off the whole issue, fix things in some kind of priority, and have a place in the bill, which requires that each year, something else is tackled, in order of priority.
    During that year, have a bi-partisan committee who arew responsible for tackling what comes up the following year.
    If we take it in logical steps, that the people can follow, it's easier to sell. Much easier than back door politics.
  13. 16 Feb '10 17:43
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    The Republicans know the health care system is broken, but their electorate does not want it to be changed, and they simply follow what their electorate wants.
    How the hell do you know if our "health care system is broken?"
    A bunch of euro-armchair quarter backs telling us how bad our healthcare is when people from all over the world flock here for treatment.
  14. 16 Feb '10 18:52 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    How the hell do you know if our "health care system is broken?"
    A bunch of euro-armchair quarter backs telling us how bad our healthcare is when people from all over the world flock here for treatment.
    International Journal of Health Services
    Issue: Volume 37, Number 1 / 2007
    Pages: 193 - 198
    URL: Linking Options

    Patients Without Borders: The Emergence of Medical Tourism

    Annette B. Ramírez de Arellano

    Abstract:

    A growing number of patients from the United States and other developed countries are traveling abroad with the express purpose of obtaining health care, including elective surgery and long-term care.This trend is not innocuous. It can lead developing countries to emphasize technology-intensive tertiary care for foreigners at the expense of basic health care for their citizens. Moreover, it can exacerbate the brain drain from the public to the private sector. The examples of Thailand and India suggest the distorting effects of this trend and raise questions of social equity in the distribution of scarce resources.

    http://baywood.metapress.com/app/home/contribution.asp?referrer=parent&backto=issue,10,10;journal,13,157;linkingpublicationresults,1:300313,1

    Does this mean that the healthcare of these developing countries is of a high level for all of it's citizens ? It doesn't, same for medical tourism to the USA, medical tourism only means that there is a niche in the market in which the USA excels, but this doesn't mean the system in it's entirety provides good health care for all Americans.
  15. 16 Feb '10 18:58
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    How the hell do you know if our "health care system is broken?"
    A bunch of euro-armchair quarter backs telling us how bad our healthcare is when people from all over the world flock here for treatment.
    You can look up the figures yourself, if you want to. US health care is by far the most expensive in the world, and that's not even correcting for the fact that a large percentage of the population does not get any (non-emergency) health care.