@no1marauder saidI would not know how to answer (answer?) this pot-stirring question. Interesting, though. Could you rewrite this like you were asking me the question while we are having Thanksgiving dinner, or sitting on a lake dock, together, having a beer?
Why? Why should you obey the laws of the government?
To put it another way, what gives the government a legitimate power to restrict your freedom?
And, I see a 2nd question of equal interest just below it, which I would think would have only one answer. The citizens of a country (or any govt) gives that government a legitimate power to restrict our freedom. Odd, you must admit, your question. Thus my request for clarification.
@AverageJoe1
Yes, we need to think of expanding the pie and not just how it's distributed. If I'm paying taxes to support the road, same as everyone else is, is that something I owe?
@creastalia saidTaxes are what you owe. .............Is this a trick question ?
@AverageJoe1
Yes, we need to think of expanding the pie and not just how it's distributed. If I'm paying taxes to support the road, same as everyone else is, is that something I owe?
@creastalia saidPlease hit the 'quote ' button, we don't know what you are responding to. Just for us, Marauder does not need to know who you are responding to, he has not been programmed or coded for that.
Yes, rights are a moral concept. There's a "Might is Right" problem with just saying that the masses will only tolerate so much accumulation of wealth to the rich. Maybe there's a social contract. If there is, how do you define the basis for it?
@shallow-blue saidThis may be the problem this Shallowblue person is having as well, thus his stupid response. What is nick, is that part of forum vernacular?
@Creastalia
Yet another nick.
Just go away, OK?
@creastalia saidYour point is sincere , I m sure, but there is not 'the' pie, there are a lot of pies, some are getting made as we speak. My daughter opened up her new donut shop yesterday, and her daughter is selling cardboard cutouts on line!! Making their own pies, don't you see.
@AverageJoe1
Yes, we need to think of expanding the pie and not just how it's distributed. If I'm paying taxes to support the road, same as everyone else is, is that something I owe?
(*Naa, not really a donut shop or cutouts, but you get my point, I hope. Libs do not get my points.)
@kevcvs57 saidConcepts so simple you're unable to articulate them kev? What does that make you.
Simple concepts are clearly too complicated for you wajoma but unfortunately if you cannot grasp the concept of the social contract without seeing it in print then there is nothing anyone can do about that.
How can you commit to ink something whose associated expectations are different in any given society. It’s not for simple folk like yourself mate just keep banging away ...[text shortened]... t the goobermint while you tickle the gonads of the rich and powerful and wallow in their excrement.
You asked for it, this is what happened when I downloaded "The Social Contract"
After paying the subscription which no one has helped with yet, I received a link and a one time download password: 1, 2, 3, 4, then password without the p. I thought this is too important to just read off a screen. "What is the Social Contract?" is one of the great questions like 'what is the sun made of?' or 'how many ants would it take to kill a lion?", so loaded some good paper in the printer selected an appropriate font, the voice in the back of the mind was saying 'something yee olde englishe' not in the style of hand written like the declaration of independence, more gothic, like the 'The Munsters'. Set aside some time, flowed into the reading chair with the 11 a4 size sheets containing 'The Social Contract' in gothic font by oatwind of deviant art tattoos and began to read:
"Given that tacit and implied contracts are unenforceable..."
And then the damndest thing happened, the paper turned to dust between my fingers, it turned to majic fairey dust right before my eyes. I'll be selling samples of the dust in vials to recoup the sub fee. These vials represent a substantial investment opportunity, I can't advertise them here, just google it, these are going to go off big time and could be the next crypto.
@wajoma saidYou're wrong of course:
Concepts so simple you're unable to articulate them kev? What does that make you.
You asked for it, this is what happened when I downloaded "The Social Contract"
After paying the subscription which no one has helped with yet, I received a link and a one time download password: 1, 2, 3, 4, then password without the p. I thought this is too important to just read off a ...[text shortened]... dvertise them here, just google it, these are going to go off big time and could be the next crypto.
"An implied contract is a non-verbal and unwritten – yet still legally binding – contract that exists based on the behavior of the parties involved or on a set of circumstances."
"The distinguishing feature of an implied contract is that while there is no exchange of words – either orally or in writing – that specifies the agreement, it can be reasonably inferred from the parties’ behavior or surrounding circumstances that the parties have a tacit understanding of having formed an agreement.
A general example is when one party accepts some benefit from another party, knowing that the providing party expects to be paid for the provided benefit.
Implied contracts are just as legally binding and enforceable as express contracts."
https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/valuation/implied-contract/
How embarrassing for you.
@creastalia saidYeah this is the thing though, if you redistribute the pie better it will ipso facto get bigger.
@AverageJoe1
Yes, we need to think of expanding the pie and not just how it's distributed. If I'm paying taxes to support the road, same as everyone else is, is that something I owe?
@AverageJoe1
No, not a trick question. What I am asking is, on a -moral- level, is the tax I'm paying something that I -owe-, in this scenario?
@no1marauder saidThe distinguishing feature of an implied contract is that while there is no exchange of words – either orally or in writing – that specifies the agreement, it can be reasonably inferred from the parties’ behavior or surrounding circumstances that the parties have a tacit understanding of having formed an agreement.Really interesting stuff! Thanks for that. So it's like if I drive on a road that other people's tax dollars have contributed to, then there's an implied social contract because I'm choosing a course of action where I'm both giving & receiving a valuable consideration, is that it? I'm choosing to drive on the road and to pay tax. If I don't want to pay tax, I can avoid the social contract by not driving on the road or in any other way using society's collective infrastructure.
A general example is when one party accepts some benefit from another party, knowing that the providing party expects to be paid for the provided benefit.
@no1marauder saidWajoma, you need to subscribe to Nexis-Lexis,... that is what you are up against. It is the Knowledge in The Sky, not unlike a character in one of those childish Harry Potter movies, and Marauder is their earthborn vehicle....their vessel!! Beware the Labyrinth!
You're wrong of course:
"An implied contract is a non-verbal and unwritten – yet still legally binding – contract that exists based on the behavior of the parties involved or on a set of circumstances."
"The distinguishing feature of an implied contract is that while there is no exchange of words – either orally or in writing – that specifies the agreement, it can b ...[text shortened]... ://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/valuation/implied-contract/
How embarrassing for you.