Seems like democrats want to impeach and convict Trump because of the danger to US democracy
It seems in return, republicans are interested in ONLY one thing, keeping power no matter the cost to US democracy or the constitution or what may happen if a democrat does the same thing as Trump did, setting precedence for any future POTUS to be as despicable as Trump has proven himself to be, now known as the worse POTUS in US history bar none. And there have been some really bad ones but Trump trumps them ALL.
But republicans seem to think it is ok for a POTUS to incite revolution, a coup attempt with 5 people dead.
Anyone able to say why that is?
@sonhouse
Power is addictive; Plato said that the only ones who should be in power are those who don't want to be.
Republicans are by no means unanimous about how best to stay in power at this juncture. Many Republicans are either unsure whether Trump is an asset or a liability, or afraid to come out say which in public.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/26/politics/republican-party-future/index.html
@sonhouse saidI think that the protesters had this planned earlier, with all their gear, dont you think, before he made the speech? He talked,, then they rampaged. All in the streets, those cardboard signs and flags and stuff, seems like it was planned to me before he got up there. I don't think they knew what he was going to say. But Sonhouse, I have a feeling you knew what he was going to say. Eerie stuff.
Seems like democrats want to impeach and convict Trump because of the danger to US democracy
It seems in return, republicans are interested in ONLY one thing, keeping power no matter the cost to US democracy or the constitution or what may happen if a democrat does the same thing as Trump did, setting precedence for any future POTUS to be as despicable as Trump has proven h ...[text shortened]... a POTUS to incite revolution, a coup attempt with 5 people dead.
Anyone able to say why that is?
I have pretty much quit watching news, but is anything being said about their plans while they were preparing for that day? And was he involved in the planning, Sonhouse? I dont think he was. Whew.
@averagejoe1 saidDoesn't your back ever hurt from bending over backwards to defend the orange baboon?
I think that the protesters had this planned earlier, with all their gear, dont you think, before he made the speech? He talked,, then they rampaged. All in the streets, those cardboard signs and flags and stuff, seems like it was planned to me before he got up there. I don't think they knew what he was going to say. But Sonhouse, I have a feeling you knew what he was ...[text shortened]... reparing for that day? And was he involved in the planning, Sonhouse? I dont think he was. Whew.
You might be able to maintain a modicum of respect if you just admitted the truth. Oh, but wait, you're another gutless Trump Republican. Oh, never mind, then.
@suzianne saidYour post adds nothing. How bout an opinion on the posts that you read.? Maybe, e.g., this one I wrote.
Doesn't your back ever hurt from bending over backwards to defend the orange baboon?
You might be able to maintain a modicum of respect if you just admitted the truth. Oh, but wait, you're another gutless Trump Republican. Oh, never mind, then.
The mob was prepared. The cardboards a dead giveaway! (Where do y’all GET that stuff!??). And then some weapons, tools to break through with, the works. They stood there while Trump made his speech, number 1006 , and then, they did what they came to do. So, do you think he did it? Why or why not, and, you don’t even have to say anything about ME!
The mob was prepared. They'd been preparing since November, when Trump's "stolen election" rhetoric started rousing them into a frenzy. Replay his own words over that period and you will find it's been almost professionally done, the whole insurrection thing.
People aren't Democrats or Republicans. They're people who want to live decent lives, raise their children, and generally be left alone. If all political parties were disbanded it's extremely unlikely that the new formations would duplicate the old ones, which are both more interested in power and wealth than in the people who voted them in or didn't vote at all.
Slanging off the "other side" is pointless, the two sides are mirrors of each other. They've both outlived their usefulness.
@kewpie saidYour phrase ‘ (want to) generally be left alone’. I wish that all posts would be begin and end with statement. It is not much to ask.
The mob was prepared. They'd been preparing since November, when Trump's "stolen election" rhetoric started rousing them into a frenzy. Replay his own words over that period and you will find it's been almost professionally done, the whole insurrection thing.
People aren't Democrats or Republicans. They're people who want to live decent lives, raise their children, and ...[text shortened]... ide" is pointless, the two sides are mirrors of each other. They've both outlived their usefulness.
@averagejoe1 saidThey were there because Trump wanted them there.
Your post adds nothing. How bout an opinion on the posts that you read.? Maybe, e.g., this one I wrote.
The mob was prepared. The cardboards a dead giveaway! (Where do y’all GET that stuff!??). And then some weapons, tools to break through with, the works. They stood there while Trump made his speech, number 1006 , and then, they did what they came to do. So, do you think he did it? Why or why not, and, you don’t even have to say anything about ME!
He had convinced them time and time again that many thousands of votes had been stolen from him and given to Biden. As a favor to their maligned master, they wanted to occupy the Capitol, disrupt Congress, and kidnap or execute Nancy Pelosi and Mike Pence.
Trump was their mentor.
@averagejoe1 saidIt’s not about you.
Your post adds nothing. How bout an opinion on the posts that you read.? Maybe, e.g., this one I wrote.
The mob was prepared. The cardboards a dead giveaway! (Where do y’all GET that stuff!??). And then some weapons, tools to break through with, the works. They stood there while Trump made his speech, number 1006 , and then, they did what they came to do. So, do you think he did it? Why or why not, and, you don’t even have to say anything about ME!
trump had been egging on rebellion since before the 2016 election. Even then he said if he lost it was due to vote tampering.
Since losing the 2020 election he’s constantly been sending the message that the election was stolen and something has to be done about. Tough-man talk and all.
The alt-right has been indictrinated by years of propaganda: communists, fake news, etc.
You (republicans) can’t sit there and discharge trump’s responsibility because of cardboard bloody signs.
@averagejoe1 saidI agree that the protest rally on 6/1 was not spontaneous. It had been orchestrated. There was a long build-up to get to that rally, and much of it was carried out online. Trump lost the popular vote by 3 million votes in 2016 and by more than double that in 2020. The events of 6/1 were the capstone to a long and elaborate scheme by a demagogue to steal an election he knew he could not win at the ballot box. The lie that postal ballots are not secure, putting his buddy in charge of USPS to try to sabotage the postal service by cutting back resources, the QAnon nonsense, mobilizing the armed militia scene in America with rumours about Big Goobermint trying take away their freedoms, bombarding the media with so much fake news and nonsense that truth is hardly discernible any more, etc. -- these are not unrelated accidents, they all fit into a pattern of scare mongering and deliberate manipulation of the public consciousness by creating an alternate reality in Trump's image. Of course, Trump did not do all this alone; he had helpers, some willing, some duped. At first, Rep. Congressmen went along with him because they thought they could tame him; when they found out they couldn't, they went along with him out of fear of reprisals.
I think that the protesters had this planned earlier, with all their gear, dont you think, before he made the speech? He talked,, then they rampaged. All in the streets, those cardboard signs and flags and stuff, seems like it was planned to me before he got up there. I don't think they knew what he was going to say. But Sonhouse, I have a feeling you knew what he was ...[text shortened]... reparing for that day? And was he involved in the planning, Sonhouse? I dont think he was. Whew.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/25/opinions/big-lie-ben-ghiat/index.html
@averagejoe1 saidYes your right the prearranged coup started when trump called his white supremacist foot soldiers to a rally on the sixth. Do you think he organised it on the same day as the confirmation hearings by coincidence?
I think that the protesters had this planned earlier, with all their gear, dont you think, before he made the speech? He talked,, then they rampaged. All in the streets, those cardboard signs and flags and stuff, seems like it was planned to me before he got up there. I don't think they knew what he was going to say. But Sonhouse, I have a feeling you knew what he was ...[text shortened]... reparing for that day? And was he involved in the planning, Sonhouse? I dont think he was. Whew.
@kevcvs57 saidBut I dont think he organized it. Do you not think the disgruntled protestors organized it themselves? Is there a a tweet or a recording out there where Trump gave them marching orders to do what they did ? (Do what they did, being the operative phrase)).
Yes your right the prearranged coup started when trump called his white supremacist foot soldiers to a rally on the sixth. Do you think he organised it on the same day as the confirmation hearings by coincidence?
All Trump ever did was tell his constituents and supporters to keep up the fight (not literal fisticuffs or explosive objects) to save our country, which has slowly been eroding since the immortal words of Obama..."I'm going to transform America". .... Make it a whole lot different that the days of Davy Crocket. (I added that last sentence).
@sonhouse saidBefore responding to that, I would like to point out the aura of power as exhibited by Pelosi and by Schummer. I am curious, can you name one Republican who exhibits such desires?
Seems like democrats want to impeach and convict Trump because of the danger to US democracy
It seems in return, republicans are interested in ONLY one thing, keeping power no matter the cost to US democracy or the constitution or what may happen if a democrat does the same thing as Trump did, setting precedence for any future POTUS to be as despicable as Trump has proven h ...[text shortened]... a POTUS to incite revolution, a coup attempt with 5 people dead.
Anyone able to say why that is?
@sonhouse
The folks who stormed the capitol building were terrorists. Plain and simple. I find it amusing to juxtapose the Republican response to Benghazi, in which 4 Americans were killed at the US embassy in Libya, to this one. With Benghazi, the GOP held 33 long drawn out hearings over the course of 5 years, including an additional 20 hearings on Hillary Clinton's missing emails. They dragged in long-retired or moved on officials to state the same things over and over and over again. They talked about it daily, and every time they were asked when the hearings would end they'd say something like "people died and we have to hold responsible parties accountable."
Now. Let's move on from this after a few weeks. The party of law and order wants to hold no one accountable?
That said, I don't really know who should be held accountable for this. Impeachment's not really a punishment for Trumpus who's already faded to nobody status. The people storming the capitol have been charged with minor offenses like "trespassing" because we have no laws against domestic terrorists. But, maybe that's a good thing? If we had laws against domestic terrorists there'd be a whole heck of a lot more justification for gov't tapping phones and reading emails and RHP forums. People would be arrested for posting stuff online. That seems unconstitutional.