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Why Mail-in voting raises red flags

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It is safe to say that the issue of mail-in voting has created a lot of friction in these forums.

Each of us has our own reasons whether mail-in voting is problematic (yes or no) and if yes, then why.
There are those, mostly on the right and with the narrative started by none other than Trump, that mail-in voting is prone to fraudulent activity.

I will offer another perspective.........
Mail-in voting has been around for some time, but with the pandemic going on, it became a big player in this year's election.

So why was Trump worried about mail-in voting fraud as far back as May ?
Because it raised red flags for the GOP back then....
In my opinion, not because it was prone to fraud, but because it effectively was a huge threat to the voter suppression tactics that the GOP has had in place for some time.
Mail-in voting has effectively nullified voter suppression.
It renders gerrymandering useless. Trump and the GOP knew this.

And the attempt to kneecap USPS by several states is obvious evidence to this effect.
Speaking as a Canadian here, I have been eligible to vote for >45 years.
I do not ever recall having to travel more than a mile to vote at a polling station.
My jaw drops when I read that some voters have to travel as much as 30 miles to vote in some areas of the states.
Texas and Florida come to mind.
If you guys want to investigate something, start with Texas and some of the shenanigans that went on there. Removing large numbers of mail-in drop boxes.

You can't go on being selective with your outrage and righteous indignation.

So......there's my statement.
Mail-in voting raised a red flag with the conservatives, because it effectively neutralized the voter suppression tactics that have been the norm for GOP.

Discuss or ignore. Your choice. My post stands.

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@mghrn55 said
It is safe to say that the issue of mail-in voting has created a lot of friction in these forums.

Each of us has our own reasons whether mail-in voting is problematic (yes or no) and if yes, then why.
There are those, mostly on the right and with the narrative started by none other than Trump, that mail-in voting is prone to fraudulent activity.

I will offer another pe ...[text shortened]... pression tactics that have been the norm for GOP.

Discuss or ignore. Your choice. My post stands.
You probably need a trumpian to respond but my take is that once trump realised that Dem voters were much more likely than republicans to use in mail ballots due to the pandemic just as they are much more likely to wear a mask for the same reason he attacked Mail in ballots which he saw as the soft under belly of a democratic process that was going to cost him the White House.
I think it and Trump are that simple.
He’s been refusing to accept the outcome of any election he loses since 2015.

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@mghrn55 said
It is safe to say that the issue of mail-in voting has created a lot of friction in these forums.

Each of us has our own reasons whether mail-in voting is problematic (yes or no) and if yes, then why.
There are those, mostly on the right and with the narrative started by none other than Trump, that mail-in voting is prone to fraudulent activity.

I will offer another pe ...[text shortened]... pression tactics that have been the norm for GOP.

Discuss or ignore. Your choice. My post stands.
I do not ever recall having to travel more than a mile to vote at a polling station.
My jaw drops when I read that some voters have to travel as much as 30 miles to vote in some areas of the states.
Texas and Florida come to mind.


Firstly, Texas and Florida - Red States?

Now, the 30 mile drive to polling station: Liberal vs Conservative is practically 1:1 correlation with Urban vs Rural in the US. We are talking about people who live in States where there is at least 60 miles between towns.

These "legitimate" constituents that have to drive 30 miles to vote: Do you think they are Urban or Rural? Statistically Liberal or Conservative?

Secondly: What percentage of the electorate do you suppose they comprise?


@mghrn55 said
It is safe to say that the issue of mail-in voting has created a lot of friction in these forums.

Each of us has our own reasons whether mail-in voting is problematic (yes or no) and if yes, then why.
There are those, mostly on the right and with the narrative started by none other than Trump, that mail-in voting is prone to fraudulent activity.

I will offer another pe ...[text shortened]... pression tactics that have been the norm for GOP.

Discuss or ignore. Your choice. My post stands.
Nope, Trump was right.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/heed-jimmy-carter-on-the-danger-of-mail-in-voting-11586557667

I know it is hard to accept that for some people, but it is the truth. You can see all the voter fraud cases involving absentee voting for yourself. Here is a list of election fraud cases.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search

Buying votes is super easy with mail in voting. It is an obvious flaw. Take Georgia for example. You don't even sign the mail in ballot, just the envelope. Sign the envelope and I give you $10 for liquor, heroin or whatever your thing is and I'll fill out the rest.

Ever think about it?


@Metal-Brain
For an insurrectionist like you, Trump is ALWAYS right and EVERYONE else is wrong.

Funny how mail in votes have gone on since the CIVIL WAR with no problems but now because your god king says there are problems, you and the rest of the hypnotized base naturally agrees.

This whole mail in fraud deal is on the hands of trump.

As well as hundreds of thousands of covid deaths that didn't have to happen because of the incompetence and uncaring of Trump.

Now the insurrection led by Trump.

I hope he rots in prison.

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@kevcvs57 said
You probably need a trumpian to respond but my take is that once trump realised that Dem voters were much more likely than republicans to use in mail ballots due to the pandemic just as they are much more likely to wear a mask for the same reason he attacked Mail in ballots which he saw as the soft under belly of a democratic process that was going to cost him the White Hous ...[text shortened]... rump are that simple.
He’s been refusing to accept the outcome of any election he loses since 2015.
Remember that Trump at his rallies and on Twitter strongly encouraged his supporters to vote in-person.
This allowed the GOP to separate the Trump voters from the Biden voters by voting method.
Which allowed him and the GOP to target mail-in ballots, before election day and after.
Before voting day, some states implemented a procedure to count the mail-in votes last.
After voting day, target mail-in ballots in their grievance fest.
Then Trump asked that that winner in each state be called on election night, knowing full well that the mail-in ballots would be counted after election day.
Because of the GOP procedures implemented.

Those data dumps ???? Those were ballots that were mailed well in advance of election day.
They were NOT phantom ballots. They were ballots that should have been counted sooner !!

You say ......... Stop the Steal !!
I say ....... Stop the Charade !!!!


@metal-brain said
Nope, Trump was right.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/heed-jimmy-carter-on-the-danger-of-mail-in-voting-11586557667

I know it is hard to accept that for some people, but it is the truth. You can see all the voter fraud cases involving absentee voting for yourself. Here is a list of election fraud cases.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud-print/search

Buying vot ...[text shortened]... $10 for liquor, heroin or whatever your thing is and I'll fill out the rest.

Ever think about it?
If you think that mail-in voting was flawed, then that is a reasonable argument to put forth.
And if there is a flaw in the process, then that flaw would apply equally to the Dems and the GOP.
Of course, if you are entrenched in the belief that Trump has the support of most of the Americans, then that flaw in the mail-in voting process would actually affect Trump votes more than Biden votes, mathematically speaking.

If somebody doesn't fill out the ballot properly or the signature isn't quite right, then it is quite silly to say that this only happened on ballots where the vote went to Biden.
Of course, like I said, when Trump told his supporters to vote in-person, that made mail-in voting an easier grievance target, did it not ??

Give up your delusional fantasy.
Stop the charade !!!!


@mghrn55 said
Remember that Trump at his rallies and on Twitter strongly encouraged his supporters to vote in-person.
This allowed the GOP to separate the Trump voters from the Biden voters by voting method.
Which allowed him and the GOP to target mail-in ballots, before election day and after.
Before voting day, some states implemented a procedure to count the mail-in votes last.
Afte ...[text shortened]... e been counted sooner !!

You say ......... Stop the Steal !!
I say ....... Stop the Charade !!!!
Nothing in the law or the Constitution requires that a result be posted on election day.


@mghrn55 said
If you think that mail-in voting was flawed, then that is a reasonable argument to put forth.
And if there is a flaw in the process, then that flaw would apply equally to the Dems and the GOP.
Of course, if you are entrenched in the belief that Trump has the support of most of the Americans, then that flaw in the mail-in voting process would actually affect Trump votes mor ...[text shortened]... an easier grievance target, did it not ??

Give up your delusional fantasy.
Stop the charade !!!!
Moreover, if the voting system were inherently flawed, it would equally affect the presidential candidates and the down-ticket candidates. The actual result does not bear this out. In some states Trump lost, down-ticket Republicans won.

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@mghrn55 said
If you think that mail-in voting was flawed, then that is a reasonable argument to put forth.
And if there is a flaw in the process, then that flaw would apply equally to the Dems and the GOP.
Of course, if you are entrenched in the belief that Trump has the support of most of the Americans, then that flaw in the mail-in voting process would actually affect Trump votes mor ...[text shortened]... an easier grievance target, did it not ??

Give up your delusional fantasy.
Stop the charade !!!!
I could benefit anyone shrewd enough to buy votes. Trump is a billionaire, so he could if motivated. Anyone could buy votes from the homeless. It has happened too. The list of voter fraud conviction has several where cigarettes and money were used to buy votes.

Trump was right. Who is taking advantage of it is not relevant, it should not be so easy. Shame on you for condoning increased voter fraud. When it happens to a democrat instead of a republican you will regret it.

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@metal-brain said
I could benefit anyone shrewd enough to buy votes. Trump is a billionaire, so he could if motivated. Anyone could buy votes from the homeless. It has happened too. The list of voter fraud conviction has several where cigarettes and money were used to buy votes.

Trump was right. Who is taking advantage of it is not relevant, it should not be so easy. Shame on you for co ...[text shortened]... ing increased voter fraud. When it happens to a democrat instead of a republican you will regret it.
I was speaking to the possibility that mail-in voting may or may not be flawed.
How easily you bump that up to voter fraud !!
Investigations have so far born out that there can be instances where ballots are submitted incorrectly.
It would appear that the rate of error is not that much different from in person voting resulting in spoilt ballots.
Any narrative that goes beyond that is just narrative born out of conspiracy theories.

If we should be investigating something that is least equal in credibility to your claims about Georgia or Pennsylvania, then we can look at Texas.
I have to ask how Biden could be competitive with Trump in Texas (tied or slightly ahead) in every poll leading up to election day ..... and then lose by 600,000 votes.
It raised eyebrows for me.

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@mghrn55 said
I was speaking to the possibility that mail-in voting may or may not be flawed.
How easily you bump that up to voter fraud !!
Investigations have so far born out that there can be instances where ballots are submitted incorrectly.
It would appear that the rate of error is not that much different from in person voting resulting in spoilt ballots.
Any narrative that goes be ...[text shortened]... ry poll leading up to election day ..... and then lose by 600,000 votes.
It raised eyebrows for me.
It is difficult to buy votes with in person voting. Mail in voting is clearly flawed in that way. Military people stationed oversees and some other exceptions should be the only people allowed to vote absentee. If you are living in a second home in another state go home to vote. You can afford it.

Here in Michigan most people I know here are Trump supporters. Most lawns had Trump 2020 signs and only some were Biden signs. I find it very hard to believe Trump lost this state fairly. Most people here like Trump.

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@metal-brain said
It is difficult to buy votes with in person voting. Mail in voting is clearly flawed in that way. Military people stationed oversees and some other exceptions should be the only people allowed to vote absentee. If you are living in a second home in another state go home to vote. You can afford it.

Here in Michigan most people I know here are Trump supporters. Most lawn ...[text shortened]... den signs. I find it very hard to believe Trump lost this state fairly. Most people here like Trump.
To borrow one of your favorite quotes.........
Provide some evidence that votes were bought.
You are really winging it here.

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@joe-shmo said
I do not ever recall having to travel more than a mile to vote at a polling station.
My jaw drops when I read that some voters have to travel as much as 30 miles to vote in some areas of the states.
Texas and Florida come to mind.


Firstly, Texas and Florida - Red States?

Now, the 30 mile drive to polling station: Liberal vs Conservative is practicall ...[text shortened]... iberal or Conservative?

Secondly: What percentage of the electorate do you suppose they comprise?
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@metal-brain said
It is difficult to buy votes with in person voting. Mail in voting is clearly flawed in that way. Military people stationed oversees and some other exceptions should be the only people allowed to vote absentee. If you are living in a second home in another state go home to vote. You can afford it.

Here in Michigan most people I know here are Trump supporters. Most lawn ...[text shortened]... den signs. I find it very hard to believe Trump lost this state fairly. Most people here like Trump.
People you know is not a statistically relevant sample.

People who erect signs on their front lawns are also not a statistically relevant sample.

The size of political rallies (Trump’s ludicrous proof HE won the election) is also a false indication.

Your claim that mail-in balloting is inherently flawed is not borne out by empirical studies. It is a hypothesis born of fear and misunderstanding.

https://www.brennancenter.org/sites/default/files/analysis/Briefing_Memo_Debunking_Voter_Fraud_Myth.pdf

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