@shavixmir saidPossibly in the Spring of 2020. But now? Not a chance.
This isn’t true.
The amount of patients in many countries were nearly overwhelming the health services.
The reason it didn’t happen, is because meaures were taken.
@sh76 saidunlike those mewling democratic governments whose people have no willpower.
I don't think what China is doing is about naked fear.
It's about justifying its zero-covid policy. New Zealand and Australia can say "oh well, we tried zero-covid, but it's time to give up on that; at least we have vaccines now." China can't. China boasted to the world (and it's own people) that its authoritarianism gave it the power to live without covid unlike those mewlin ...[text shortened]... and acknowledge the realize that you cannot forever stamp out a super-contagious respiratory virus.
I understand your point, China is clearly going too far with its lockdowns, but despite the earlier severity of COVID, our mewling democratic government (despite its flaws) has done a reasonably good job balancing restrictions with giving its citizens some freedoms to make their own choices.
@sh76 saidWere any of these people you know that had long covid vaccinated with covid gene vaccines? If so, before or after getting covid?
Sorry for the click-baity title, but this is aggravating me.
Okay, to start: Yes, long covid happens. So does long flu and long pneumonia and long a lot of other things.
I've seen assertions that long covid affects between 10 and 30% of infected people. I know that's a wide range, but it's impossible to get a better number as far as I can tell (https://www.theatlantic.com/ ...[text shortened]... hat China is doing and against any business/school closure and child masking movements still around.
@metal-brain saidThe two people that were hospitalized in 2020 obviously had covid before the vaccines. I assume both were vaxxed later, though I'm not sure.
Were any of these people you know that had long covid vaccinated with covid gene vaccines? If so, before or after getting covid?
The two people with the minor smell/taste issues were both vaxxed and both had very mild covid cases with lingering smell/taste issues.
@mchill saidThe federal government, perhaps. But many states made stupid mistakes, including and especially closing schools, masking little children, closing parks, filling in skate parks (that was a good one), closing hiking trails and tennis courts.
unlike those mewling democratic governments whose people have no willpower.
I understand your point, China is clearly going too far with its lockdowns, but despite the earlier severity of COVID, our mewling democratic government (despite its flaws) has done a reasonably good job balancing restrictions with giving its citizens some freedoms to make their own choices.
None are tragedies (except closing schools), but pretty dumb.
@sh76 said
I can't find it now, but a blue checkmark Tweeted the other day that society was doomed to have to deal with covid disability as its dominant issue for the foreseeable future because 10-30% of cases get long covid and long covid can be disabling.
While not as direct, major media pieces have picked up this sentiment. It's fallacious. That's my point.
Restrict long covid suf ...[text shortened]... . But the I see it used it more "mandate masks in schools" or "mandate boosters" because long covid.
While not as direct, major media pieces have picked up this sentiment. It's fallacious. That's my point.
You're stuck in your own fallacious argument here. When you point to an extreme example of a twitterer making a provocative statement (which is wat twitterers do) and equating it to major media doing it "not as direct" it seems like you're admitting the media are making more reasoned statements on the issue (and we don't have any examples).
Generally this idea that you've got a finger on the "narrative" here based on a few tweets is itself fallacious. We're going to be deconstructing this crisis, what went wrong and right etc, over and over for decades. Some takes will be bad.
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@sh76 saidSome rational points here but you end the post by “lumping’ mask mandates at work and school closures in with what China is doing in places like Shanghai and other places, I guess there’s a lot of this ‘lumping’ thing going on. But your right we should stop it.
Sorry for the click-baity title, but this is aggravating me.
Okay, to start: Yes, long covid happens. So does long flu and long pneumonia and long a lot of other things.
I've seen assertions that long covid affects between 10 and 30% of infected people. I know that's a wide range, but it's impossible to get a better number as far as I can tell (https://www.theatlantic.com/ ...[text shortened]... hat China is doing and against any business/school closure and child masking movements still around.
@sh76 saidMy brother was hospitalized with covid over 1 year ago. He recovered and after he got out of the hospital they gave him the Moderna gene vaccine shots. He said that made him worse and swore it was the vaccines that made his health slowly deteriorate.
The two people that were hospitalized in 2020 obviously had covid before the vaccines. I assume both were vaxxed later, though I'm not sure.
The two people with the minor smell/taste issues were both vaxxed and both had very mild covid cases with lingering smell/taste issues.
My brother died a few weeks ago, over 1 year after he got out of the hospital. My brother was diabetic and at high risk so the case could be made that he should have taken the vaccine to possibly prevent him getting hospitalized, but because he took the jabs after he got covid it is impossible to know. My brother swore it was the vaccine that was killing him. I am taking his word for it.
If someone recovers from covid please discourage them from getting the gene vaccines. You do not want what happened to my brother happen to those you care about. It will damage their immune system, weaken them even more and they could get Peripheral Neuropathy and die. It will seem like ALS.
https://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/pfizer-documents-modernas-covid-19-vaxx-can-damage-the-immune-system
@shavixmir saidThere are some left.
There are no more measures at the moment.
https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/covid-vaccinated-travellers-entering-canada
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/04/07/world/covid-19-mandates-cases-vaccine
https://www.nytimes.com/article/nyc-mask-mandate-rules.html
https://abc7ny.com/mask-mandate-kids-under-five-lawsuit-new-york-city/11700644/
@metal-brain saidI am sorry for your loss.
My brother was hospitalized with covid over 1 year ago. He recovered and after he got out of the hospital they gave him the Moderna gene vaccine shots. He said that made him worse and swore it was the vaccines that made his health slowly deteriorate.
My brother died a few weeks ago, over 1 year after he got out of the hospital. My brother was diabetic and at high risk ...[text shortened]... /www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/pfizer-documents-modernas-covid-19-vaxx-can-damage-the-immune-system