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  1. 21 Feb '12 13:09
    Did Iran's leaders call for Israel to be "wiped off the map"? Too many people seem to believe that translation error, so I decided to devote a thread to the subject.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155

    If any of you insist on defending the original translation then debate it! Let us put an end to this once and for all.

    http://www.blazingtruth.com/middle-east/
  2. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Feb '12 13:28 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    Did Iran's leaders call for Israel to be "wiped off the map"? Too many people seem to believe that translation error, so I decided to devote a thread to the subject.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/jun/14/post155
    The Guardian article was great fuel for the debate on this matter here at RHP but unfortunately - as you will realise - it is now nearly 6 years old and therefore does not address any of the anti-semitic, holocaust-denying, explicitly-threatening things that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said in the meantime. Have you got any links to Guardian articles 'explaining' what Ahmadinejad meant dating back to comments he has made during the subsequent half decade or that he made in 2011 or 2010? No. There is a reason for this.
  3. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Feb '12 13:34 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    http://www.blazingtruth.com/middle-east/
    This link you have given cites four blog/newspaper articles:

    The Guardian – “Lost in Translation“ is an article [the same Guardian article you cited, in fact] from 2006

    Washington Post – “Did Ahadinejad really say Israel should be wiped off the map?“ cites an article from 2005

    NY Times – “Just How Far Did They go, Those Words Against Israel?“ cites an article from 2006

    AntiWar.com – “Wiped off the Map? — The Rumor of the Century?“ cites an article from 2007 which refers back to an interview and article from 2006.
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    21 Feb '12 13:42
    See FMF's posts.
  5. 21 Feb '12 14:35
    Originally posted by FMF
    The Guardian article was great fuel for the debate on this matter here at RHP but unfortunately - as you will realise - it is now nearly 6 years old and therefore does not address any of the anti-semitic, holocaust-denying, explicitly-threatening things that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said in the meantime. Have you got any links to Guardian articles 'explaining' wh ...[text shortened]... ng the subsequent half decade or that he made in 2011 or 2010? No. There is a reason for this.
    This thread is about the "wiped off the map" translation. I created this thread so people will not continually claim that Iran wants to bomb Israel.

    There is no basis for that claim. Romney is a liar for claiming Iran stated it wants to bomb Israel. It never happened.
  6. 21 Feb '12 14:42
    Originally posted by FMF
    This link you have given cites four blog/newspaper articles:

    The Guardian – “Lost in Translation“ is an article [the same Guardian article you cited, in fact] from [b]2006


    Washington Post – “Did Ahadinejad really say Israel should be wiped off the map?“ cites an article from 2005

    NY Times – “Just How Far Did They go, Those Words Against Israe ...[text shortened]... ites an article from 2007 which refers back to an interview and article from 2006.[/b]
    What difference does it make what year these articles are from?

    Do you disagree with Juan Cole?
  7. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Feb '12 14:46
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    What difference does it make what year these articles are from?

    Do you disagree with Juan Cole?
    You don't see what difference it makes?
  8. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Feb '12 14:49
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    This thread is about the "wiped off the map" translation. I created this thread so people will not continually claim that Iran wants to bomb Israel.
    The links you provided only talk about a comment made about 6 years ago.
  9. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Feb '12 14:53
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    Do you disagree with Juan Cole?
    When Juan Cole wrote about that comment 6 years ago do you think he was preempting whatever Ahadinejad would say in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011?
  10. 21 Feb '12 15:12
    Originally posted by FMF
    When Juan Cole wrote about that comment 6 years ago do you think he was preempting whatever Ahadinejad would say in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011?
    Once again, this thread is about the "wiped off the map" comment and translation. It makes no difference that it was 6 years ago. We are still talking about it, right?

    Ahmadinejad didn't make the statement in 2007 did he? If you are trying to make a point you have failed thus far. Seems to me that you are trying to digress into other statements since then because you don't want to talk about the "wiped off the map" mistranslation.

    Once again, do you disagree with Juan Cole? Yes or no?
  11. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Feb '12 15:22
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    Once again, this thread is about the "wiped off the map" comment and translation. It makes no difference that it was 6 years ago. We are still talking about it, right?
    You seriously don't think it makes a difference? There is a reason you are zooming in on a comment made six years ago.
  12. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Feb '12 15:24
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    Once again, do you disagree with Juan Cole? Yes or no?
    Once again, do you think Juan Cole was preempting anything and everything Ahadinejad might have gone on to say, and has said, in the intervening years since 2006... 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011?
  13. 21 Feb '12 15:41
    Originally posted by FMF
    Once again, do you think Juan Cole was preempting anything and everything Ahadinejad might have gone on to say, and has said, in the intervening years since 2006... 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011?
    This thread is about one comment. If you are too gutless to confine yourself to the "wipe Israel off the map" comment, start your own thread. I may post comments on it, but don't insist on avoiding the whole basis of this thread.

    Or you could just admit Juan Cole is right and Romney is a liar and we can move on to those other comments later. Until then, stop trying to digress away from the subject of this thread.
  14. 21 Feb '12 15:56
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    This thread is about the "wiped off the map" translation. I created this thread so people will not continually claim that Iran wants to bomb Israel.

    There is no basis for that claim. Romney is a liar for claiming Iran stated it wants to bomb Israel. It never happened.
    Any idiot knows Iran won't bomb Israel unless they are attacked first, so what does it matter what Romney says in the context of seeming tough and "conservative" for the GOP primaries?
  15. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    21 Feb '12 15:58
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    This thread is about one comment.
    This "one comment" and the comment about it is 6 years old. The issue as to whether it was mistranslated or not is moot. It has been overtaken by events. This is inconvenient for you, clearly.