Roger Stone reveals how Trump tried to steal the election:
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/09/27/roger-stone-documentary-filmmakers-stop-the-steal-january-6-plans-dlt-vpx.cnn
Note that this was filmed in July 2020, well before the Nov 2d election.
Let us consider Stone's 'justifications' for overturning the election result:
1. "Other countries do it." Yes, other countries do sometimes deny election results -- Algeria springs to mind -- but that is no reason why Trump should do it or ought to get away with it.
2. "Bush did it to Gore." Same answer as 1.: no reason why Trump should do it or ought to get away with it.
3. "We're using lawful means, Congress and the courts." Wrong again, Stone. There is no provision in Constitution for Congress, the courts, or the VP, to overturn an election result. What Trump and his facilitators did was misuse the law in an attempted coup d'etat, for example by filing over 50 spurious suits, by pressuring state election officials to 'find' votes, by pressuring Pence to decertify the result, by pressuring senators to decertify the result, by pressuring the DoJ to declare the election fraudulent and his Republican senators "would take care of the rest," by spreading false claims that both voting machines and mail-in ballots are unreliable thereby creating a climate of suspicion which is equivalent to shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater when there is no fire -- not covered by freedom of speech, by inciting a mob to storm the Capitol to disrupt the certification of the result which is equivalent to shouting 'fire' in a crowded theater when there is no fire -- not covered by freedom of speech. There was clearly a conspiracy at the highest level, organized well before the Nov 2d election, to steal the election and to try to make it seem that the other side was stealing it. Yes, there was indeed election fraud -- Trump was it.
@moonbus
https://www.theepochtimes.com/gop-launches-73-election-integrity-lawsuits-ahead-of-2022-midterms_4817191.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge&src_src=partner&src_cmp=ZeroHedge
https://www.theepochtimes.com/republicans-win-major-election-integrity-ruling-against-michigan-secretary-of-state_4812191.html
@moonbus saidAt every election there's cheating and fraud, every single election regardless of who gets in, the question is 'was it significant enough to effect the outcome?' a legitimate discussion. So your 'fire in a crowded theater' analogy is FAIL.
Roger Stone reveals how Trump tried to steal the election:
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/09/27/roger-stone-documentary-filmmakers-stop-the-steal-january-6-plans-dlt-vpx.cnn
Note that this was filmed in July 2020, well before the Nov 2d election.
Let us consider Stone's 'justifications' for overturning the election result:
1. "Other countries do it." ...[text shortened]... e it seem that the other side was stealing it. Yes, there was indeed election fraud -- Trump was it.
But don't feel bad, it's one of the most misconstrued analogies out there.
@wajoma saidIts only a ‘legitimate discussion’ if your prepared to lie about what constitutes a ‘legitimate discussion’. When every hound dog you’ve sent out to create the illusion of significant tells you that there was none but you keep claiming that there was that is the basic definition of lying and there nothing legitimate about it.
At every election there's cheating and fraud, every single election regardless of who gets in, the question is 'was it significant enough to effect the outcome?' a legitimate discussion. So your 'fire in a crowded theater' analogy is FAIL.
But don't feel bad, it's one of the most misconstrued analogies out there.
@wajoma saidYour post badly downplays the severity of this particular election fraud, as if it's just run-of-the-mill political misconduct.
At every election there's cheating and fraud, every single election regardless of who gets in, the question is 'was it significant enough to effect the outcome?' a legitimate discussion.
The degree of impact doesn't negate the seriousness of the President of the United States committing crimes and abusing the power of his office to do so. Attempted murder is still serious even if the attempt was badly bungled and had no chance of succeeding.
The degree of impact only adds to the severity of the attempt, it doesn't lessen it.
@wajoma saidAnd the most boring. Libs never do close their arguments by saying,, well the liberals do that, too. ‘. So the whole post, without closure, means nothing to anyone, especially me.
At every election there's cheating and fraud, every single election regardless of who gets in, the question is 'was it significant enough to effect the outcome?' a legitimate discussion. So your 'fire in a crowded theater' analogy is FAIL.
But don't feel bad, it's one of the most misconstrued analogies out there.
@vivify saidHi, goodnight, Vivify. “…. committing crimes and abusing power”. Is he in jail? Do you know that marauder the Oracle has spoken, that no one make any judgment until all the facts are in, and a judge, or a court of law, have ruled him guilty, as in this case?
Your post badly downplays the severity of this particular election fraud, as if it's just run-of-the-mill political misconduct.
The degree of impact doesn't negate the seriousness of the President of the United States committing crimes and abusing the power of his office to do so. Attempted murder is still serious even if the attempt was badly bungled and had no chance o ...[text shortened]... succeeding.
The degree of impact only adds to the severity of the attempt, it doesn't lessen it.
Of course, you have to weigh the credibility, of marauder, as he wants a person who is not even able to debate, and he is not, to stand up on the Senate floor and debate policy. So tread lightly with whom you rely on,.
I’m so confused!
@moonbus saidHa! Moonbush is all about Roger Stone, and all of the evidence against Donald Trump, that really has not really been any evidence at all. Yet, no one seems to be all about the truly surmounting evidence about Hunter, Biden, Joe, Biden, and Joe’s brother.
Roger Stone reveals how Trump tried to steal the election:
https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2022/09/27/roger-stone-documentary-filmmakers-stop-the-steal-january-6-plans-dlt-vpx.cnn
Note that this was filmed in July 2020, well before the Nov 2d election.
Let us consider Stone's 'justifications' for overturning the election result:
1. "Other countries do it." ...[text shortened]... e it seem that the other side was stealing it. Yes, there was indeed election fraud -- Trump was it.
Haha what a weak bunch of arguments and debate here. All one-sided, no closure only talking how bad we are, but never admitting how bad they are. Just absolutely horrible.
@averagejoe1 saidThe facts are already in.
“…. committing crimes and abusing power”. Is he in jail? no one make any judgment until all the facts are in, and a judge, or a court of law, have ruled him guilty, as in this case?
Trump was recorded pressuring Georgia's election officials to overturn his loss. That is an abuse of power.
A judge already ruled that Trump knowingly submitted false election information in legal documents.
Facts are already in, judges have already ruled, but of they're course they're not enough for conservatives.
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@metal-brain saidThe "Epoch Times"?
@moonbus
https://www.theepochtimes.com/gop-launches-73-election-integrity-lawsuits-ahead-of-2022-midterms_4817191.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge&src_src=partner&src_cmp=ZeroHedge
https://www.theepochtimes.com/republicans-win-major-election-integrity-ruling-against-michigan-secretary-of-state_4812191.html
You're stacking your wafer-thin-slice-of-credibility atop a pile of known propaganda rags such as that?
You're even dumber than I'd thought.
@woofwoof saidIs there anything inaccurate in those links?
The "Epoch Times"?
You're stacking your wafer-thin-slice-of-credibility atop a pile of known propaganda rags such as that?
You're even dumber than I'd thought.
If not, you are attacking the source because you are incapable of attacking the facts.
https://nationalfile.com/washington-state-fines-meta-25-million-for-campaign-finance-violations/
@moonbus saidI love that part. Trump knew it was fake. It's very well documented and confirmed with first hand knowledge by many Republicans in the room with him.
Recently released emails between Trump’s lawyers reveal that Trump knew his repeated claims of election fraud were untrue.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/02/politics/clarence-thomas-trump-eastman-emails/index.html
And yet there are millions of his followers who still believe the lie. Including, remarkably, the wife of a SCOTUS justice.
@Wajoma
You LOVE propagating the big MASSIVE election fraud lie PUKED out by Trump, 'If I lose it is because the election was rigged''.
And the IDIOTS who make up his cult believe every lying word that criminal says.
So now we are at a crossroad again, like what happened in 1940 where this Nazi dude thought he could get the Hitler thing going here in the US and had literally thousands or hundreds of thousands in HIS cult.
I think zombies don't give a rat's ass whether we lose our democracy or not, I assume they figure they will fit in really well in a dictatorship.