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‘Havana syndrome’ not caused by energy weapon or foreign adversary, intelligence review finds
The mysterious ailment known as “Havana syndrome” did not result from the actions of a foreign adversary, according to an intelligence report that shatters a long-disputed theory that hundreds of U.S. personnel were targeted and sickened by a clandestine enemy wielding energy waves as a weapon.
The new intelligence assessment caps a years-long effort by the CIA and several other U.S. intelligence agencies to explain why career diplomats, intelligence officers and others serving in U.S. missions around the world experienced what they described as strange and painful acoustic sensations. The effects of this mysterious trauma shortened careers, racked up large medical bills and in some cases caused severe physical and emotional suffering.
------------------------------------------------------ over 1000 diplomat corps effected in many countries
I agree with the CIA, it is *not* a foreign adversary that is responsible.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/havana-syndrome-not-caused-by-energy-weapon-or-foreign-adversary-intelligence-review-finds/ar-AA1868bw
03 Mar 23
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@earl-of-trumps saidSo, what is there alternative theory?
‘Havana syndrome’ not caused by energy weapon or foreign adversary, intelligence review finds
The mysterious ailment known as “Havana syndrome” did not result from the actions of a foreign adversary, according to an intelligence report that shatters a long-disputed theory that hundreds of U.S. personnel were targeted and sickened by a clandestine enemy wieldi ...[text shortened]... vana-syndrome-not-caused-by-energy-weapon-or-foreign-adversary-intelligence-review-finds/ar-AA1868bw
Mine would be that US embassies have the same fridge / coffee machine / dishwasher or something and that something’s off on one of those types of machines.
03 Mar 23
@shavixmir saidMakes no sense at all.
So, what is there alternative theory?
Mine would be that US embassies have the same fridge / coffee machine / dishwasher or something and that something’s off on one of those types of machines.
03 Mar 23
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@shavixmir saidYou have the CIA/intel agencies saying they don't know, and you have scientists saying it may be an energy beam of some kind.
So, what is there alternative theory?
Mine would be that US embassies have the same fridge / coffee machine / dishwasher or something and that something’s off on one of those types of machines.
On your "fridge / coffee machine / dishwasher or something" theory...
Impossible. It is happening in many countries and, the US embassies are the only ones effected.
This is from the CIA report:
"analysts spent months churning data, looking for patterns and inventing new analytic methodologies, only to come up with no single plausible explanation."
Now. we are talking about over 1,000 American diplomat personnel and children, in many embassies
in every continent in the world (except Antartica). What the bleep?!
The one important statistic that they have carefully avoided...
How many other countries have had their embassy staffers effected this way? They won't touch that.
Interesting little factoid: Since Russia invaded Ukraine, the injuries have slowed way down.
03 Mar 23
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@earl-of-trumps saidSo far as I know no other embassy has this problem.
You have the CIA/intel agencies saying they don't know, and you have scientists saying it may be an energy beam of some kind.
This is from the CIA report:
"analysts spent months churning data, looking for patterns and inventing new analytic methodologies, only to come up with no single plausible explanation."
Now. we are talking about over 1,000 American diploma ...[text shortened]... hat.
Interesting little factoid: Since Russia invaded Ukraine, the injuries have slowed way down.
So, either US embassies are being targetted. Or, something within various embassies is causing it.
Now, most government organisations buy equipment in bulk (lowers costs). So, each embassy will have the same coffee machine, dishwasher, microwave, etc.
Or the same dishwashing tablets, toilet deodorants, pen ink, etc.
And that is where I’d place my bet. On something like that.
Could be aural or nasal. Although the same monitors is a possibility too, coming to think of it. A low whatever-the-rate-is-called… can make you groggy, dizzy, nauseous (cyber sickness). Add to that a specialised, paranoid, air-conditioning…
Sounds quite a reasonable assumption to me.
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And here’s a link to common office problems:
https://opensourcedworkplace.com/news/24-ways-your-office-is-making-you-sick
Take into account that it’s several offices. What would these offices have in common?
03 Mar 23
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@shavixmir said"Now, most government organisations buy equipment in bulk (lowers costs). So, each embassy will have the same coffee machine, dishwasher, microwave, etc.
So far as I know no other embassy has this problem.
So, either US embassies are being targetted. Or, something within various embassies is causing it.
Now, most government organisations buy equipment in bulk (lowers costs). So, each embassy will have the same coffee machine, dishwasher, microwave, etc.
Or the same dishwashing tablets, toilet deodorants, pen ink, etc. ...[text shortened]... d to that a specialised, paranoid, air-conditioning…
Sounds quite a reasonable assumption to me.
Or the same dishwashing tablets, toilet deodorants, pen ink, etc.
And that is where I’d place my bet. On something like that."
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I find that scenario not workable.
1) *Other* staffers in other embassies would similarly be effected, but they are not.
2) Defective equipment can't possibly be only in American embassies *unless* it was directed that way.
Somebody is surely aiming this unseen weapon right at the American embassy staffers, and *only* them. IMO
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03 Mar 23
@shavixmir saidIf that were the case it'd be happening all over the world, not just in US Embassies.
So, what is there alternative theory?
Mine would be that US embassies have the same fridge / coffee machine / dishwasher or something and that something’s off on one of those types of machines.
03 Mar 23
@shavixmir saidCertainly doesn’t require the same level of Machiavellian mischief as the other possibilities.
So far as I know no other embassy has this problem.
So, either US embassies are being targetted. Or, something within various embassies is causing it.
Now, most government organisations buy equipment in bulk (lowers costs). So, each embassy will have the same coffee machine, dishwasher, microwave, etc.
Or the same dishwashing tablets, toilet deodorants, pen ink, etc. ...[text shortened]... ng-you-sick
Take into account that it’s several offices. What would these offices have in common?
Same aircon units maybe or the poor lambs are just home sick.
03 Mar 23
@earl-of-trumps saidNot so.
"Now, most government organisations buy equipment in bulk (lowers costs). So, each embassy will have the same coffee machine, dishwasher, microwave, etc.
Or the same dishwashing tablets, toilet deodorants, pen ink, etc.
And that is where I’d place my bet. On something like that."
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First you have to check which installations, equipment, ink, etc. Are delivered to which embassies, and see if there are connections.
That’s not happened (as far as I know).
But that would be a more plausible investigation compared to foreign forces with evil not-sure-if-it-exists weapons.
I mean, if you’re going to target a bloody embassy… just poison the fukking place.
03 Mar 23
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@shavixmir saidThey never find any toxicity in these victims. That is why the theory is an energy weapon and not what you suggest
Not so.
First you have to check which installations, equipment, ink, etc. Are delivered to which embassies, and see if there are connections.
That’s not happened (as far as I know).
But that would be a more plausible investigation compared to foreign forces with evil not-sure-if-it-exists weapons.
I mean, if you’re going to target a bloody embassy… just poison the fukking place.
And again, within any capitol city where the US has an embassy you are likely to see 50 embassies or more.
But it is always the US embassy. And you just want to call that a coincidence? Yow
03 Mar 23
@earl-of-trumps saidSo.. what proof is there of an energy weapon?
They never find any toxicity in these victims. That is why the theory is an energy weapon and not what you suggest
And again, within any capitol city where the US has an embassy you are likely to see 50 embassies or more.
But it is always the US embassy. And you just want to call that a coincidence? Yow