Since the 1983 publication of A Nation at Risk, a report by the National Commission on Excellence in Education warning of a
ising tide of mediocrity in American schools, education reform has been at the fore of our national consciousness. Since then, there has been little to celebrate. According to the February 1998 Third International Mathematics and Science Study (and verified by the 2000 release), the most comprehensive international comparison of schooling ever undertaken, American high school seniors are among the industrial world's least prepared.
The United States had higher per capita public spending on elementary/ secondary education than 14 of the 21 countries participating in the 1995 TIMSS. Yet American performance resembled, on average, that of the less affluent nations (those with lower GNPs per capita and lower per capita expenditures on K-12 education). Two less affluent countries (Hungary and Slovenia) outperformed the United States.
TIMMS-Repeat showed U.S. students falling well below Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, Singapore and 10 other countries, and U.S. 8th grade students taking the test had lower international rankings than the 4th graders taking the test four years earlier. In other words, the longer they stayed in American schools, the worse they did in international comparisons.
American high school seniors perform far worse than their counterparts in other developed nations, according to The Third International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS) scores released in February 1998. According to the results, American seniors outperformed only two of 21 nations in mathematics, finishing significantly below 14 nations. On the advanced math assessment of 15 countries, 11 countries outperformed our seniors.
According to the Third International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS) Rankings, released in February 1998, American seniors scored far below 11 countries, and ahead of only two in science. On the physics assessment, U.S. students were outperformed by students in 14 nations and performed roughly equally with one nation.
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Of 18- to 24-year-olds polled, 87 percent could not locate Iraq on a map, according to a survey by the National Geographic Society.
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Originally posted by ianpickeringThey can't find Iraq because it's not on Nintendo or Gamecube. It's really horrible. I go to my kid's school and hear the teachers using incorrect grammar. Here are some examples I regularly hear: "I seen", "He done went", "The office hours for Monday is" . I could go on and on.
Since the 1983 publication of A Nation at Risk, a report by the National Commission on Excellence in Education warning of a
ising tide of mediocrity in American schools, education reform has been at the fore of our national consciousness. Since then, there has been little to celebrate. According to the February 1998 Third International Mathematics and ...[text shortened]... locate Iraq on a map, according to a survey by the National Geographic Society.
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Originally posted by ianpickeringI hate inflammatory statistics like this. Where was this poll taken? How was it randomized? How many kids (or young adults in this case) were polled? Who determined where the sample came from?
Of 18- to 24-year-olds polled, 87 percent could not locate Iraq on a map, according to a survey by the National Geographic Society.
Any comments?
And is your goal with all of these anti-American posts to get us all to move to England? You sure wouldn't want that!
Originally posted by gregofthewebI s'pose next you will take a shot at their teeth.😉
What is your purpose in life ian?
Is it being a brit and finding faults in America?
Because if that is the case then it is kinda sad.
There are of course plenty of things to find fault with America. Go ahead take your shots. It's a free country.
Mike
Jeebus! Only two of you (Kirk and Rahul) have actually said anything meaningful about the content of the original post. The rest of the posts should be moderated as off-topic. As one of few participants in the American public education system in these forums, I think it deserves some rational discussion, and I frankly do not care who initiates it, so long as the validity of facts is given proper attention, as RHP's resident titman pointed out.
Right. Sorry to rant, and I suppose the things rapalla7 said are on topic.
Originally posted by royalchickenThanks for the margin note RC.
Jeebus! Only two of you (Kirk and Rahul) have actually said anything meaningful about the content of the original post. The rest of the posts should be moderated as off-topic. As one of few participants in the American public education system in these forums, I think it deserves some rational discussion, and I frankly do not care who initiates it, so ...[text shortened]... tman pointed out.
Right. Sorry to rant, and I suppose the things rapalla7 said are on topic.
Originally posted by royalchickenAnother worthy post 🙂 by Royal Chicken.
Jeebus! Only two of you (Kirk and Rahul) have actually said anything meaningful about the content of the original post. The rest of the posts should be moderated as off-topic. As one of few participants in the American public education system in these forums, I think it deserves some rational discussion, and I frankly do not care who initiates it, so ...[text shortened]... tman pointed out.
Right. Sorry to rant, and I suppose the things rapalla7 said are on topic.
The Amercian Education system is not alone in failing to provide a well rounded education.
One observation l would make , is the US High School system tends to take a more Insular look at the world.
The system l grew up with in Australia was a carry on from the English system and perhaps due to our isolation from the rest of the Western World, focused too much on this. Only more recently have they started to change this and teach about our own indigenous culture and surrounding Asianic cultures.
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Cheers,
Martin
Our educationaly system is filled with kids that have crappy parents who teach them nothing at home. Time that should be spent on the 3 r's are now spent on teaching sensitivity, manors, and other things that should be taught at home. I recently had a minor fight with one of my daughters teachers because on her report card she received a N in keyboarding. What the hell is that? We spend more and more money on coaches and arenas and cut teachers in art and english. But what the hell, our team is winning.
Mike
Originally posted by royalchickenAnd speaking of meaningful content, is it not evident that the American education system is superior to that of Britain by just simply comparing Rahul's avatar to that of the original poster of this thread?
Jeebus! Only two of you (Kirk and Rahul) have actually said anything meaningful about the content of the original post. The rest of the posts should be moderated as off-topic. As one of few participants in the American public education system in these forums, I think it deserves some rational discussion, and I frankly do not care who initiates it, so ...[text shortened]... tman pointed out.
Right. Sorry to rant, and I suppose the things rapalla7 said are on topic.
Originally posted by ianpickeringThe way we raise our children speaks volumes about our education system...look at what kids are watching on television: Reality shows, the Simpsons...YES, the Simpsons... the New York Yankees spend 190,000,000 dollars on a bunch of guys to swing at a ball while school infrastructues are crumbling, state-of-the-art stadiums are going up in every city while children go without computers. That's why we have to import so many H1b immigrants to fill our high-tech positions because our native-born population cannot grasp the concept of high tech education. They would rather watch MTV's "Real World" because their world is limited. The generations from 200 years ago to the mid-20th century must be rolling in their graves at what our great country has become/is becoming. The sweat and toil that they went through, the hard work and scratching for an education and the accomplishment of attaining the "American Dream" was what made America great. We are heading the way of Rome. Don't despair Ian, because England and the rest of Europe and eventually Asia will have their MTV/Nintendo/Cell phone/Bubble-head generation and then we can all fight over the remote control to the tele...... to see Ron Jeremy and Tammy Fay Baker make @$$es of themselves much to our amusement....Oh, don't forget the Ozbornes...a product of your country I believe....cheers 🙄
Of 18- to 24-year-olds polled, 87 percent could not locate Iraq on a map, according to a survey by the National Geographic Society.
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Kirksey957 hit the nail right on the head. Video games,cell phones, violence oriented TV and movies,not to mention parents who don't give a damn about seeing to their kid's education,are the reason most American kids are nothing but a bunch of lazy,illiterate,disrespectful,moronic couch potatoes. Why do homework? Hit a button on the PC,or punch in some #'s on the calculator,and the homework is done. When was the last time any of these kids read a real book? Not a comic,or some idiotic graphic novel,but a genuine piece of literature,like Tolkien,Shakespeare,or Hemingway? That's why I don't have kids myself-raising them would be a lost cause,in today's over permissive society.