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Wow fellow chess users. Talk about harsh.
I joined this site last year sometime. With just 6 slots I played a lot of chess.
Almost 9 months of 6 slots I guess and then became a paying member this year. In that short time I have gone crazy with gameloads.
Too crazy in fact. But I was and am addicted to entering tournaments.
Yes I have gone on resigning sprees, and I have explained myself and I don't see why I have to keep explaining myself?
I am particularly reasonable. And have even resigned further games to those who are so offended by my current rating.
Another player and I are currently playing in a game that should be drawn. We have agreed to keep moving until my rating is high enough to draw with him.
Another player complained and I pulled out of that tournament.
I'm not sand bagging, what ever that means. In order to enter a low rated tournament, I would have to stay low rating for over a year. And I was a rating of 720 last week but am already trying to get my rating back up.1200 plus already.
I have said this many times now: would it have been better to be timed out in 150 odd games and get a low rating, or just resign the games? They do the same thing: resigning vs timeout.
Sandbaggers: are these players currently rated say 1200 and have been around 1200 for a year, yet were once 1900.
I am a 1250 player at the moment and my high is 1600. So I can't enter tournaments for below 1500.
And I will hopefully be back to 1450 1500 before the month is up.
Yes: I don't resign clan games as that's not about me, that's about the clan.
So if u are upset about my low rating, please message me. Don't go whining about me on here?
If the game is unimportant, I will resign it to you. If its important we will try slow down the game until my rating pleases you.
I am a chess addict. I only joined for money in Feb and have already created a club and clan.
So I am happy to play play play. But when I over did it, I had to resign. Its nothing personal.
But like I said if you really are offended, please message me.
Its just chess. Its just a game.
Originally posted by CostadWell said, I think you cleared that one up for the OP Costas, at the end of the day there are many that take advantage of having a 'manipulated' lower rate and it plainly annoys some of those they are playing. In your case this is plainly not the case but a player aggrieved by what they perceive should try and message the opposing party. Politeness pays dividends but some couldn't care less and will continue regardless, this happens a lot within clan challenges with some leaders actively, if not publicly, encouraging it, a gripe with many over at the clan forum.
Wow fellow chess users. Talk about harsh.
I joined this site last year sometime. With just 6 slots I played a lot of chess.
Almost 9 months of 6 slots I guess and then became a paying member this year. In that short time I have gone crazy with gameloads.
Too crazy in fact. But I was and am addicted to entering tournaments.
Yes I have gone on resigning s ...[text shortened]... e I said if you really are offended, please message me.
Its just chess. Its just a game.
Each of us plays to our own ends, if we play with an 'unnatural' rate, even if it's within the rules, then we'll always have some saying it's not within the 'spirit of the game.'
Too many games is always going to be difficult to control for us but, once again, you've done nothing wrong and you should always play for your own fun..the downside is you'll always get folk thinking the worst. Hopefully the OP will see this differently now. Cheers, Dean.
Originally posted by CostadThanks for the post. Why not address your addiction. Enter less tournaments and stop resigning sprees. Problem solved.
Wow fellow chess users. Talk about harsh.
I joined this site last year sometime. With just 6 slots I played a lot of chess.
Almost 9 months of 6 slots I guess and then became a paying member this year. In that short time I have gone crazy with gameloads.
Too crazy in fact. But I was and am addicted to entering tournaments.
Yes I have gone on resigning s ...[text shortened]... e I said if you really are offended, please message me.
Its just chess. Its just a game.
As for me, I hate playing a player with a artificially low rating making a comeback after a resigning or timeout spree. Not that big of a deal.
Thanks again for the explanation.
Originally posted by CostadHarsh maybe, but for many it is annoying to see your rating deflated due to the antics of one.
Wow fellow chess users. Talk about harsh.
I joined this site last year sometime. With just 6 slots I played a lot of chess.
Almost 9 months of 6 slots I guess and then became a paying member this year. In that short time I have gone crazy with gameloads.
Too crazy in fact. But I was and am addicted to entering tournaments.
Yes I have gone on resigning s ...[text shortened]... e I said if you really are offended, please message me.
Its just chess. Its just a game.
If someone rated at 1400 or so was unfortunate enough to lose 4 tournament games against you when your rating is down at 800 or so then they would lose 32 points per game or 128 points in total. It has far harder to make these 128 points back up than it is to lose them.
That person may also get bad mouthed as it would appear they had dropped their rating artificially.
Simple answer is stop entering so many tournaments, especially if you cannot cope with the volume of games it creates.
While it is just a game, many take the games seriously and it can also annoy them if they have invested their time in the game to see you wipe out the effort they have put in in a flurry of resignations, just because you cannot cope.
Maybe be unable to cope is telling you something - 6 games is a good amount for you.
Originally posted by CostadI can easily understand getting overwhelmed and doing it once to lessen the load and I explained that to customer service. My problem is that you've done it at least 4 times in the past 6 months.
Wow fellow chess users. Talk about harsh.
I joined this site last year sometime. With just 6 slots I played a lot of chess.
Almost 9 months of 6 slots I guess and then became a paying member this year. In that short time I have gone crazy with gameloads.
Too crazy in fact. But I was and am addicted to entering tournaments.
Yes I have gone on resigning s e I said if you really are offended, please message me.
Its just chess. Its just a game.
It's simply not fair to the people you resigned to nor is it fair to the people you continued to play. It does have a bigger ripple effect than simply winning or losing one game.
It's the continued, repeated behavior which I'm attempting to point out to the site admins as very disruptive.
I'm pretty laid back - never complained about anything but I find this REPEATED behavior to be completely against the spirit of the site. I'm just amazed by their stance to do nothing here - not even reprimand you (much less ban you), as if this type of behavior is completely acceptable.
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Fair comments I suppose. I do remember doing it at least twice. But if you say its four times, then that is a bit bad. The first time I did it I remember thinking and saying that x hundred games is too much and I can't cope. I then found the "time" filter under "my games". This lists the games in order of closest to time out. So I was sorted and just made the moves of the games closest to time out. But then the many 21 days per move got close to time out and the 14 days per move got close to time out and the 7 and 3 days etc. So then I hit a brick wall. So my 2nd resigning spree. Like I said the other two I don't recall. I do play fast. I am and have been in the top 10 most active players of the site for the last 6 months. So I could and was managing the 700 games I was playing. (Using the time filter) but then I catch a weekend where I actually attend to other life activities and I see I suddenly got in big trouble as far as time banks are concerned.
I took two days "vacation" and managed to catch up the 150 games on zero time left.
Then the next weekend I got busy again. So I was heading to breaking point. And so I resigned like I did.
So from 700 games I am down to 400 games. I aim to come lower and I hope to not to have to resign as mad again.
Thanks Adam for the insight. Good man. 🙂
But please bare in mind first poster: I play really fast. And believe it or not I have moved up some 500 points in rating in less than a week. (I play that fast)
Perhaps my other 2 crashes are due to losing a bunch of games.
You do realise that it is possible for me to lose to a 1100 rated player (especially if he was once a 1900)
That makes me crash faster. Oh well.
Originally posted by KewpieYou can't ignore an opponent in a tournament. There are rating floors in USCF and FIDE I believe... why not here?
There are players on this site whose selfish attitudes make life uncomfortable for others. Just like in the real world.
We have the same options here as we have in the real world:
ignore - put person on ignore list, inform clan leader you won't accept opponent, immediately resign any games that appear.
complain - to clan leader, in public forums, by ...[text shortened]... ist.
The last is the least stressful option for you, just as it would be in the real world.
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Originally posted by CostadLike I said, I've at times felt overwhelmed with 30 games, I can't imagine 700. You just need to realize that all those resignations impact numerous people and I'm sure there are others, like myself, who don't want to see their opponent's rating drop by 800 points artificially.
Fair comments I suppose. I do remember doing it at least twice. But if you say its four times, then that is a bit bad. The first time I did it I remember thinking and saying that x hundred games is too much and I can't cope. I then found the "time" filter under "my games". This lists the games in order of closest to time out. So I was sorted and just made the ...[text shortened]... 00 rated player (especially if he was once a 1900)
That makes me crash faster. Oh well.
I'd just suggest not allowing yourself to go over your breaking point in games in the future.
Originally posted by tkamilIn all fairness, it's more about managing timeout and timebank than mere game numbers. You're far more likely to struggle with 30 1 \ 3 games than 100 7 \ 14 games. Then you get those that can manage any number of games on any time scale. I know user User 350028 well and I've never known him with less than the 130 played presently, whilst maintaining a 2200 rate..with a mere 0.7 % time losses and averaging over 121 games completed a month. Another I know manages over 9 games A DAY, with 500 in progress at times User 193938 , all timeframes played and a mere 1.5% lost on time. The rate fluctuation appears to be more critical at this level however.
Like I said, I've at times felt overwhelmed with 30 games, I can't imagine 700. You just need to realize that all those resignations impact numerous people and I'm sure there are others, like myself, who don't want to see their opponent's rating drop by 800 points artificially.
I'd just suggest not allowing yourself to go over your breaking point in games in the future.
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Noted.
I just wish to add though, that due to my fast movements in the games, I was managing 700 games. (by simply attending to the ones closest to timeout)
But only if I moved everyday.
Take one weekend off and I was in deep trouble.
So yes, I do intend never going to 700 games again.
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-Removed-True but both threads are about the same time frame.
taipei5200 was the other one, and I resigned my games in his tournament to resolve that issue.
@tkamil
I went through my game history list and its not 4 times. Its 2 (the two i remember) maybe 3, but I can add that I play a vast amount of games, and losing streaks and win streaks happen.
I reckon the 3rd time is losing streak.
Because I play so many games, it is possible for my rating to drop "normally" by simply losing games in a row.
Like I have said, I lose to players rated 1100 or so, but also note that they were once 1900 players. (so its not losing on purpose)
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Originally posted by tkamilOk, I may have exaggerated that a bit - ratings do have some meaning, but given the nature of the site, not a great deal. They're relevant only within the site (they correspond notoriously badly with OTB ratings). They're interesting, that's why they're here, but it is a trap to get too attached to it. It's even more of a trap to attach too much meaning to the rating drop or gain from one single game. Don't let it distract you from enjoying your chess.
Not really the point Richard - if ratings are meaningless, why have them at all? The title of the thread seemed to attract your attention for a reason.
(As for my attention, that is initially drawn to any new thread, almost irrespective of its title.)
My issue is that if they're going to have ratings, they should actually mean something. When the response from RHP is that they don't find this behavior 'disruptive', I take issue with that.
Given that they're also trying to get rid of people who really cheat, by using chess computers, and that mass resigning can't be proven to be malicious, I think they're right. "Not disruptive" may be badly phrased, but in essence I agree.
Let's not forget that if he beat you, he beat you fair and square. The selection of him as an opponent may have been less than ideal, but in the end, he beat you at chess. You could also get beaten by someone who has just started out and not reached his potential rating yet; or someone who has recently started studying hard; or someone who has actually lost a lot of games because he decided that challenging players well beyond his league is a good way to learn (which it is, within limits). All of those may be momentarily aggravating, but you're still getting honestly beaten at chess. It's not like you got trashed by someone's engine.
The most important point, though, is this: you just lost a game, and you just lost points. You lost what, twenty-ish points? On a total of some one and a half thousand! And if you win your next game, you gain those points back. Your rating changes all the time. How many games do you play? Your rating changes with every one of them. It changes more significantly when you fall in love than when you lose a game to a (intentional or non-intentional) sand-bagger.
It is tempting to attach importance to the change from this one game, but please don't. It's just one game. Even if you do think your rating is significant, this one game's drop is not. Worse, considering it so is dangerous. It makes you focus on the numbers, when you should be focussing on the game. This one game is just one game. It is better to get on with playing, and enjoy the next one.
Richard
Originally posted by tkamilIt is not against the RHP rules. Thus, there is nothing admin can do.
I'm pretty laid back - never complained about anything but I find this REPEATED behavior to be completely against the spirit of the site. I'm just amazed by their stance to do nothing here - not even reprimand you (much less ban you), as if this type of behavior is completely acceptable.
They may could change the rules and formulate a new rule that applies as you would like, but that is a different discussion. I think such a rule would be awkward and may have negative consequences, but again that is a different discussion.
Currently, it is not against the rules to repeatedly resign games en masse. Thus, there is no basis for a reprimand, much less a basis for a ban.
In the mass resigning scenario, unless a player expressly admitted to "purposefully disrupting the experience of other players," it seems almost impossible to prove intent of mass resigning of games is to "purposefully disrupting the experience of other players" and thus an infraction.
I see quite often in comments on RHP where posters want a punishment against a player for behavior, while maybe undesirable or unsportsman like behavior, not against the rules.