Originally posted by Dr Strangeloveso is circumcision, but I'd find out why it's done and make up my own mind as to how (un)necessary it is.
How much more informed do you have to be after seeing that video.
That's absolutely disgusting.
If you think that's bad, you should watch how they make tasty steaks. Put a cow on a conveyor belt, Bonk the cow on the head with a big 'ol electric shocker to stun him, chop her head off with a giant saw blade, then giant knives carve up the carcuss. Any left over meat is sent to a big tub grinder to be ground into ground beef and other animal products mixed into a giant vat to make things like hamburgers and Hot Dogs.
Originally posted by darvlayI'm serious. They die very easily. How they made it this far in evolutionary terms is beyond me. If you ask me, the only reason they're still around today is because we look after them.
I dunno, man. I see what you're saying but I have a hard time believing that those animals die that easily. If what you say is true then how could those sheep handle the mulesing? They would all be dead and rotting in the fields. It doesn't seem to follow any kind of logic.
That being said, I do agree that the mulesing may not be on such a larg ...[text shortened]...
However, I can't deny that I was ignorant on the matter before and now I'm educated on it.
I had to look up mulesing, because I've never heard the word. This procedure makes sense to me (hell, it's like a circumcision, only for their asses. Like I said, they're dirty and not designed very well. If you don't do the mulesing, their excrement literally builds up 'there'😉, but trust me, if those cuts aren't disinfected, half those lambs won't live past a week. That said, Australia is much drier than SA, so maybe sheep don't get infections as easily there?
I just know you wouldn't have any sheep left if you did that here and didn't disinfect and treat the cuts.
EDIT:
My dad doesn't mules (sic?) his sheep, he just shears them now and then. He doesn't have Merino, because he keeps them for meat and Merino have crap meat volume.
Another Edit:
Obviously not all sheep die when you clap your hands or bump them, but they REALLY are very sensitive. The ones I mentioned are probably worst case scenarios, but it shows how easily they die. We've had a few deaths after thunderstorms where they apparently died of shock after closeby lightning strikes.
They need to be dosed almost every 3 months for different diseases etc. else they die.
You get my point...
Originally posted by CrowleyDomestic sheep have been modified by domestication via controlled breeding. They haven't been wild for over ten thousand years. Their "evolution" over that time has been controlled by humans, so it's no surprise they might not be the best animals at living on their own.
I'm serious. They die very easily. How they made it this far in evolutionary terms is beyond me. If you ask me, the only reason they're still around today is because we look after them.
I had to look up mulesing, because I've never heard the word. This procedure makes sense to me (hell, it's like a circumcision, only for their asses. Like I said, they're t have any sheep left if you did that here and didn't disinfect and treat the cuts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheep
Pink teaming up with Justin Timberlake? Why is it that washed, up has been, "rockers" champion such a "worthy" cause? For free publicity, and the hopes that their dead careers will again come back to life.
People kill and eat animals. Do you think that steak cooking on the grill didn't get it's throat slit and bleed and die? People must think that meat grows out of the ground, like corn and wheat.
I think Pink needs to get her fleece sheared off in Australia, and Justin needs to be hit in the head with some timber, and thrown in a lake.
Originally posted by Ice ColdYou mean lamb really is made from little fluffy lambs? :'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(:'(
Pink teaming up with Justin Timberlake? Why is it that washed, up has been, "rockers" champion such a "worthy" cause? For free publicity, and the hopes that their dead careers will again come back to life.
People kill and eat animals. Do you think that steak cooking on the grill didn't get it's throat slit and bleed and die? People must think that meat g ...[text shortened]... Australia, and Justin needs to be hit in the head with some timber, and thrown in a lake.
Cry me a river dude.
There is one fundamental glitch in human arrogance I can never seem to
get past. The one thing supposedly separating us from other animals is
our ability to communicate abstract thoughts. Now, if that was all there
was to being a human I wouldn't react at all if this or that animal
(humans included) were put through such an abusive procedure without
any regard for the animal's suffering. I mean, I wouldn't be able to
understand the concept of suffering even. Of course, the reason I react
is because there's more to being human than having this "higher"
intelligence. We have bodies positively flowing with nerve ends and so we
can easily identify with the physical suffering of others; we instantly
imagine ourselves in that position and here's where I'm usually lost.
Because in this respect, our awareness of what's happening to our bodies
and the fact that we experience pain as we're physically mutilated, we are
exactly the same as any other animal. This is a basic requirement
to be able to avoid situations that could be life threatening. We escape
pain as any other animal. So, how come we can justify putting others
through great suffering for the benefit of our own convenience? Not
survival, mind you. That I can understand, but convenience? It wouldn't
be a high price to pay giving up certain luxuries we have in favour of
giving others a chance at a better life, yet we have to find a reasoning
that puts us above others and in doing so justifying whatever needs to
be done to maintain and better our own living standards.
Why? For instance, if it turned out that human skin could be used to
create a very cheap and high quality insulation for coats. What would
really be so different about tying up humans and cut their arses off
without analgesic and then shipping them off to another part of the world
for "further processing"? I see absolutely no difference between
mistreating humans and other animals.
So, even if the percentage of farmers mistreating their animals is low I
can't help but react violently when I hear about farmers that do
mistreat their live stock. And when I think about it and realise I don't
even need the products they produce, I'm almost ashamed on their part.
Without a wool industry those sheep wouldn't have to suffer in the first
place, so I'm all fine with boycotting the industry as a whole based on
the "crimes" of a few.
That way I can sleep with a better conscience.
Now, if nobody minds, I'm gonna go have an orgasm.
Originally posted by darvlayOk, i grew up around and used to work on a sheep farm in Australia. Although i am not sure sheep die easily, they are very stupid animals. Very very stupid. But that is besides the point. I have never seen mulesing in my life. Most of those sheep shown with overgrown wool are strays that have wondered from the flock and have not been sheared in a very long time.
I thought seal-clubbing was bad...
http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/pink_wool_video?qp_source=stspinkblogadgossip&c=stspinkblogadgossip
Poor l'il guys. 😳
I don't think I could ever be a vegetarian, but I definitely will not be buying any Australian wool products anytime soon.
The fact is, is that if a farmer grows sheep for wool, then they are sheared quite often and kept relatively well. Better wool gets better money. Plus farmers do everything to keep flystrike from even happening because it is very un-productive and inconvenient. As for the transportation, well yeah that is pretty harsh.
I think Pink should talk about the Darfur genocide and the 100 or so people dying in Iraq everyday rather than talk like the moronic pop "icon" that she is about a trivial subject. Really, a dose of reality is needed here.
Originally posted by stocken*thwack*
There is one fundamental glitch in human arrogance I can never seem to
get past. The one thing supposedly separating us from other animals is
our ability to communicate abstract thoughts. Now, if that was all there
was to being a human I wouldn't react at all if this or that animal
(humans included) were put through such an abusive procedure without ...[text shortened]... a better conscience.
Now, if nobody minds, I'm gonna go have an orgasm.
Originally posted by PhlabibitHi hi hi, you missed! 😵
*kicks
Take that!@
P-
Now, I'm just gonna go and dry myself off with that cotton cloth over there.
Rub myself with the hair of a sheep. Mmmmmmm... 😛
Oh, and on a completely different matter (or perhaps not), isn't it curious
that it's called boycotting? I wonder what that means. 😀
Addition: Ahem. Ok, ok. So my poor English made it through
again. I somehow felt that cotton is not the word so I looked it up and
indeed. Cotton is not the same as wool. I'm so embarrassed. And I
thought I was so funny and all. Oh, to hell with it.
Well, the cotton plants (whatever they're called in English) suffered to
allow me to clean myself up. HA!
Now, I'll just have me another orgasm, if it's ok with everyone else.