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Originally posted by jimslyp69look for balance, especially from anything PETA says. That' be like taking the word of the Christian Coaliation or the Fraser Institute in Canada
I don't think that the video says or even implies that all farmers treat their animals in such an inhumane way. It is just bringing to our attention of what does happen. It is suggesting that Australian wool is boycotted until the industry becomes more humane and puts humanity before profit.
If anyone is biased, I think perhaps that it is yourself.
Here's a link on mulesing.
http://www.woolisbest.com/animal_welfare/mulesing/index.html
or these:
http://www.woolisbest.com/latest_news/2006/pink201206.htm (refuting PINKS comments)
http://www.woolisbest.com/index.html (homepage)
"Animal rights and many animal welfare activists consider unanesthesitzed mulesing to be inhumane and unecessary. An additional argument is that mulesing may mask genetic susceptibility to fly strike [3] allowing for genetic weaknesses to be continued.
In October, 2004, American fashion retailer Abercrombie & Fitch Co. bowed to pressure from PETA to boycott Australian merino wool due in part to the use of mulesing in Australia. The boycott also involves the live sheep export trade.
In early November, 2004, representatives of the Australian wool industry met and voted to phase out[4] the practice of mulesing in Australia by 2010.
In December 2006 Pink, a US-based singer and member of the animal rights group PETA, joined the campaign to end mulesing.[5] Pink began a media campaign to encourage members of the public to cease buying Australian wool. This publicity campaign may also affect the sale of wool from sheep that have not been mulesed.
Mulesing is currently illegal in Britain where fly strike is a relatively controllable problem.
Proponents of mulesing are largely from Australia and New Zealand where hot and humid weather is naturally conducive for fly strikes. While alternatives can be effective, they are often more costly in comparison to mulesing because of the industry's size and the number of sheep. For instance, in New Zealand, sheep outnumber people 12 to 1.[6]
In response to protests and outrage however, many farmers in Australia and New Zealand now undergo accreditation through organizations such as the Livestock Contractors' Association to ensure their abilities to practice mulesing in the most humane and expert way possible."
Source: Wikipeida.org
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Originally posted by uzlessHmmm. I'm still not convinced. For one, if this procedure is to be carried out, why can't they anaesthetise the poor beasts? Also, if alternative sheep were to be used that were suited to the climate of Australia, and did not need to be mulesed, then this procedure would be unnecessary in the first place.
look for balance, especially from anything PETA says. That' be like taking the word of the Christian Coaliation or the Fraser Institute in Canada
Here's a link on mulesing.
http://www.woolisbest.com/animal_welfare/mulesing/index.html
or these:
http://www.woolisbest.com/latest_news/2006/pink201206.htm (refuting PINKS comments)
http://www.woolisbest.com/index.html (homepage)
Once again it all comes down to profit over humanity.
I am not a vegetarian by any means. I love eating meat and feel that the farming industry has every right to exist. I would just like to know that when I purchase livestock products, that the animal it came from was treated as humanely as possible.
Originally posted by jimslyp69Biased? I have no stake here. But when I'm told to stop buying products I want to know as much as I can before I go ahead with it. I'll glady not buy things from Walmart or Nike shoes after I've made an informed decision listening to arguments from both companies and their opponents. I'll make up my mind after listening to both sides, not just one side.
If anyone is biased, I think perhaps that it is yourself.
I just provided the other side of the argument since it was missing. It's up to you to decide how you feel about an industry that scrapes off a sheeps ass.
Originally posted by uzlessIt just seems that you had your mind made up already and have discounted the video even before watching it, because of those four letters: P E T A
Biased? I have no stake here. But when I'm told to stop buying products I want to know as much as I can before I go ahead with it. I'll glady not buy things from Walmart or Nike shoes after I've made an informed decision listening to arguments from both companies and their opponents. I'll make up my mind after listening to both sides, not just one side.
...[text shortened]... ng. It's up to you to decide how you feel about an industry that scrapes off a sheeps ass.
Originally posted by darvlayThat's just terrible. The part where they said, "Like Pink's music, this video is both powerful and moving. ", made me want to puke.
I thought seal-clubbing was bad...
http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/pink_wool_video?qp_source=stspinkblogadgossip&c=stspinkblogadgossip
Poor l'il guys. 😳
I don't think I could ever be a vegetarian, but I definitely will not be buying any Australian wool products anytime soon.
No seriously, that was awful. Lately, I've been trying to eat more vegetarian. No meat for breakfast and lunch...only dinner, and only sometimes. I own about 20 of those Merino wool sweaters. I hate them anyway. They're flimsy and itchy. Now I'm all bummed out and pissed off.
Originally posted by darvlaySeriously man, a sheep will die basically instantly if you mishandle it. My dad farms on a small scale and has sheep.
And why should I accept your assurances that ALL "good" farmers (whatever that means) are humane? Like you imply, profit is all that matters. And if all farmers have the same mentality that you do (dirty, stupid animals, etc.) then why is it far-fetched to believe that a farmer would choose profit over humane treatment and production.
When you dose them for disease, which you need to inject under the skin in their loins, they sometimes die because they can't lie on their backs too long. We quickly learned to do this quickly in order to reduce the trauma for the sheep.
We once shot off some fireworks at new years and the next day there were two dead sheep. We did'nt hit them with anything - they apparently died of shock.
When shearing them, the shearers once nicked a sheep but we didn't notice it in order to disinfect the cut and that sheep died a few days later due to infection.
What I mean is, they are pretty sensitive and if this alleged mistreatment is going on on a really large scale, Australia wouldn't prtoduce ANY wool. The fluffy bastards die VERY easily.
Sure, on some farms this stuff might happen and the video proves that it does, but those farmers won't be in business for very long.
'Humane' treatment of sheep is therefore a requisite for a good sheep farmer. They are not mutually exclusive.
If the animals are mistreated, they die - hence, no profit.
The videos is alarmist, sensation seeking BS propaganda and doesn't warrant the time it took for me to watch it.
Originally posted by CrowleyI dunno, man. I see what you're saying but I have a hard time believing that those animals die that easily. If what you say is true then how could those sheep handle the mulesing? They would all be dead and rotting in the fields. It doesn't seem to follow any kind of logic.
Seriously man, a sheep will die basically instantly if you mishandle it. My dad farms on a small scale and has sheep.
When you dose them for disease, which you need to inject under the skin in their loins, they sometimes die because they can't lie on their backs too long. We quickly learned to do this quickly in order to reduce the trauma for the sheep.
...[text shortened]... sensation seeking BS propaganda and doesn't warrant the time it took for me to watch it.
That being said, I do agree that the mulesing may not be on such a large scale (as my further research concluded) as implied on the video and that the video itself is definitely alarmist and sensational.
However, I can't deny that I was ignorant on the matter before and now I'm educated on it.
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Originally posted by darvlayno, there are even crazier people there than me. At least here, i'm the only one leading the discussion off the track from its intended purpose.
Speaking of dumb mishandled sheep, shouldn't this thread be in the Spirituality forum?
Bloody sheep farmers...kill 'em all I say!
Originally posted by uzlessHow much more informed do you have to be after seeing that video.
Biased? I have no stake here. But when I'm told to stop buying products I want to know as much as I can before I go ahead with it. I'll glady not buy things from Walmart or Nike shoes after I've made an informed decision
That's absolutely disgusting.