Originally posted by shavixmirWell, of course I wasn't advocating a forum ban for u, but there is a massive difference between your modded posts and Dodgey11's. First of all Dodgey uses vulgarities frequently, personally attacks people frequently and posts racist rants frequently. Your posts are modded by people who have professed to not being offended by your posts, but fear that others will be offended. Like that sad creature that alerted your post because u said not to pick your nose during sex. Absolutely pathetic.
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Soooo... it seems a lot of us here agree that something should be done. I figured i wasn't going to be alone on this one. Thanks to everyone who has contributed thus far. Even you, Dodger.
While it's unlikely that this thread will result in an actual banning, hopefully Russ and the Admins have got the point that if the guy were to be booted, he wouldn't be missed. I'm not entirely sure that that needed to be explicitly pointed out, but I'm sure it doesn't hurt.
Originally posted by BlobbyThere is a message posted already, waiting for Russ to come around and decide what to do. I think I've already done too much by letting this thread stand, and adding to it.
phlab can't you do something? i mena your deply trusted by russ and chrsmo, maybe you oculd talk to them?
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Originally posted by flexmoreDid Prad steal your account 😕?
a question .... is dodger being positively affected by rhp?
let's suppose dodger was bred as a horid beast in our eyes .... maybe we can help dodger to see the world as a place of harmony as we would like it.
i say ... if someone is simply using rhp as a forum to SHOUT genuine nastiness, and never listening, then get rid of them.
if they are ...[text shortened]... most harmlessly expressed here, with constant discussion by calmer folks ... maybe we can help.
Originally posted by darvlayI don't support this thread. While everything Darvlay says is true, I don't like the idea of a bunch of subscribers banding together to try to get someone kicked off the site. It was successfully done before, albeit in a sneakier manner, and I opposed it then so it would be hypocritical not to oppose it now. There are many people on this site who unquestionably violate the TOS at times and there are others who a certain segment might believe violate the TOS (Arrakis fervently believes I do), if mere TOS violation becomes a standard for expulsion than Sir Ulrich's mass bannings will begin. I am not comfortable with the "slippery slope" this will lead us to and therefore, do not support this effort, no matter how many recs it gets.
What good does he serve to this site?
He is an admitted racist and white supremacist.
He is not a subscriber.
He sends everyone off with his veiled and not-so-veiled racist comments and he knows it, thus making him a troll.
He has a history of flaming and posting vulgarity as well.
Apparently, Russ "has his eye" on Dodger11. Well, Russ, what are ...[text shortened]... e done with it. This forum and this site will be a happier place with that piece of trash gone.
Dodger11 is a vile individual in my view and I have confronted him here and at FW in the most forceful manner that is allowed under the respective Forum rules. But it cannot get to the point where n amount of people's view on his BELIEFS, however wretched and disgusting they may be, is sufficient to ban him. These are FORUMS meant for debate and exchange of views even unpleasant ones. I don't think Shav's stuff should be modded because some people find it offensive and I don't think Dodger11 should be banned because many people find HIM offensive (though I can understand the need for modding openly racist material). I still believe that the Forums should be supportive of free speech, think that a ban of Dodger11 for his political views would set a bad precedent and don't think even a majority's view that someone should be censored are sufficient to ban such person. Therefore, I do not support this effort.
Originally posted by Phlabibitwhy shouldn't this thread stand? Dodger is not being accused of cheating, he is being accused of racism. there is no reason why RHP members should not be able to discuss this in the forums.
There is a message posted already, waiting for Russ to come around and decide what to do. I think I've already done too much by letting this thread stand, and adding to it.
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Originally posted by dfm65It was alerted as a personal attack... Is it? I don't know, and that is why the thread still stands.
why shouldn't this thread stand? Dodger is not being accused of cheating, he is being accused of racism. there is no reason why RHP members should not be able to discuss this in the forums.
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Originally posted by no1marauderPoint taken, no1.
I don't support this thread. While everything Darvlay says is true, I don't like the idea of a bunch of subscribers banding together to try to get someone kicked off the site. It was successfully done before, albeit in a sneaki ...[text shortened]... ient to ban such person. Therefore, I do not support this effort.
As far as I can remember, you have always taken a stance against moderation of any form. Seeing as a ban (from the forums, not necessarily the site) is just the extreme form of moderation, I am not surprised that you are sticking to your guns.
While I respect your opinion, I just don't see racism in the forums as something that should be tolerated. I can tolerate a lot of things in the name of humour (actually I can tolerate almost anything in the name of humour) but there is no humour in the posts that Dodger11 has made here (or at FW, for that matter) - it is just hate. I have always thought of myself as someone who would never condone censorship of any kind but I can honestly say that my opinion has changed. This is a special case where I believe censoring a person is for the good of the vast majority of people involved in these forums.
Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing. With it, however, comes the good and the bad. But this community we all are a part of is a controlled environment with a code of conduct that all of us have agreed to follow. And while I will admit to not being the most polite poster there is, there has to be a line that is drawn.
I can tolerate bigoted jokes every once in a while but diatribes against races?! Should we be tolerating it, as a community? I say no. But if you asked me before meeting Mr. Grand Dragon, I probably would have said yes.
Either way, good post no1. I'm glad you've given your opinion.
Originally posted by no1marauderI understand, but I disagree, though I readily admit I do so on a much more muddled basis then your post is based on.
I don't support this thread. While everything Darvlay says is true, I don't like the idea of a bunch of subscribers banding together to try to get someone kicked off the site. It was successfully done before, albeit in a sneakier manner, and I opposed it then so it would be hypocritical not to oppose it now. There are many people on this site wh ...[text shortened]... should be censored are sufficient to ban such person. Therefore, I do not support this effort.
While I'm not an active poster, I decided to react on the presence of this troll. I occasionally lurk here, sometimes a lot, sometimes hardly, depending on the time I have available. As such, I do consider myself a member of the chess community here. And through my ingame chats and my lurking, I thought I more or less had a feel for what this community stands for. I thought an absolute line would be drawn at things like racism and bigotry, especially in the extreme form that it's present in the trolls posts.
I don't like strong moderation, and I've seen quite a few posts disappear that I enjoyed (yes, I'm a shavixfan too). I've read other posts I feel insulted by and posts I don't agree with which weren't removed. I never alerted one, because I basically agree it should be able to have a free and frank exchange of ideas in this forum.
This troll, however, crosses a line to me. The extreme racism he propagates and slips every now and then is something I'm simply disgusted by, and something I would have expected this community simply would not tolerate. To me, this is of an entirely different nature than the right wing politics some defend, or the fundamentalist christian views of some posters.
Of course, to some extent, this is personal. I draw the line at these extreme forms of racism, and I can't expect everyone to agree with me this is where the line should be drawn. But on the other hand, I think that I draw the line pretty close to complete tolerance, and in my opinion, if this is not where we draw it, then we don't have many other options to draw a line at all.
I'm starting to think I should look out for more expressions that express that I simply think some things should not be tolerated.
I would have hope that some things simply are not welcome here. I could think of a whole lot of instrumental reasons why this troll could be thrown out. He's extremely disruptive, very condescending in some of his replies, has an obnoxious way of responding to some people, he has violated the TOS, etc. But to me, that doesn't really matter. There's breaking the TOS, and breaking the TOS. And I'm all for giving people second chances etc. But at the same time, I think that in some occasions, you should just give some guys or gals the boot and kick them back in the sewer they crawled out of. Because of his racism, this troll is one of those people.
That's why I decided to speak up in this thread. Not to join the mob, not to make the number of people who want him out increase, but simply to say that I had hoped this kind of trash is not tolerated on this site, not once, and that I am disappointed that this does not appear to be the case.
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Originally posted by rhbWell said, rhb.
If this were my business and in a public place - such as a pub or cafe - and a number of paying customers were complaining to me about the extreme views being put forward by a none paying customer, I would have no hesitation in asking them to leave.
I think the same should apply here.
Originally posted by no1marauderI tend to agree, but "debating" Dodger is pointless, just give him the silent treatment.
I don't support this thread. While everything Darvlay says is true, I don't like the idea of a bunch of subscribers banding together to try to get someone kicked off the site. It was successfully done before, albeit in a sneakier manner, and I opposed it then so it would be hypocritical not to oppose it now. There are many people on this site wh ...[text shortened]... should be censored are sufficient to ban such person. Therefore, I do not support this effort.
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Originally posted by rhbThe very same argument was used by Rapalla7 in September or about (there's a thread at FW with that debate between Mike and me) regarding someone who supposedly by using the word "pimpstick" was supporting the degradation of women. While in that case it was a subscriber, I see no moral difference between a subscriber and non-subcriber in the Forums; both are allowed. This argument is just another way to say the majority should be able to toss people who spout unpleasant views and I reject it.
If this were my business and in a public place - such as a pub or cafe - and a number of paying customers were complaining to me about the extreme views being put forward by a none paying customer, I would have no hesitation in asking them to leave.
I think the same should apply here.
To be clear, Darvlay, I have never said I opposed all moderation. I understand that things such as extreme profanity and avowed racist or other derogatory terms may need to be modded on this site to keep it in line with some degree of civil discourse. I have sought, however, to make the modding of posts an extreme exception to be used only in the most egregious of cases. Therefore, while I see that some of Dodger11's (and others) posts were properly modded given the environment of RHP, I think that banning people entirely for their views goes far beyond what I can comfortably support given my core beliefs and recent history at RHP.
Originally posted by no1marauderRight. Sorry for the misinterpretation.
To be clear, Darvlay, I have never said I opposed all moderation. I understand that things such as extreme profanity and avowed racist or other derogatory terms may need to be modded on this site to keep it in line with some degree of civil discourse. I have sought, however, to make the modding of posts an extreme exception to be used only in the most eg ...[text shortened]... goes far beyond what I can comfortably support given my core beliefs and recent history at RHP.