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Originally posted by greenpawn34If he was a proper Scot, of course, he'd have done it for the money.
Although a national hero historians argue amongst each other whether he was fighting for the Scottish cause (as Wallace did) or just the power the thone gave him.
Richard
(Says the Dutchman...)
Originally posted by greenpawn34Bruce, a Belgian, the same as Colle, oh what a glorious day! read and weep Dutchman
Robbie is talking about the lesser known 1312 Battle of Bannockburn.
England lost that one on penalties.
The Bruce family came across in 1066 and were from what we now call Belgium.
They had property and lived for a while in London.
You will still find streets named after the Bruce family, Bruce Grove and Bruce Castle Park
in the Manor of Totten ...[text shortened]... d 'Bates Motel' was called William Wallace
living right next door to him was a Robert Bruce.
and all you queens gambit players!
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Originally posted by FMFsure it has, that's why we (Scotland) are about to have another referendum for
The European Union has rendered a lot of this moot.
Independence, the European Union has rendered so much of it moot! I myself will have
no part in it, nationalism is a very dangerous and at times destructive force.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe only way a nation could fight against tyranny in the 14th century would be to rise up and sweep away the ruling cabal of warlords in their own country, not by fighting for one dynastic line over another.
Brits? It was a nation fighting against tyranny in order to preserve its right of self
determination.
You smoocher of royal derriere's.
Google the 'peasants revolt' to see how real freedom fighters conducted themselves.
Originally posted by kevcvs57peasants, pah! a warrior class has always existed from antiquity, samurai, hoplites etc
The only way a nation could fight against tyranny in the 14th century would be to rise up and sweep away the ruling cabal of warlords in their own country, not by fighting for one dynastic line over another.
You smoocher of royal derriere's.
Google the 'peasants revolt' to see how real freedom fighters conducted themselves.
etc peasants are only good for carrying ones shield!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieTell that to the effete warrior class of Agincourt who came up against the peasant longbow men of England, or perhaps the decadent warrior class of Tsarist Russia who fell to their own peasant army.
peasants, pah! a warrior class has always existed from antiquity, samurai, hoplites etc
etc peasants are only good for carrying ones shield!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think that's very interesting.
yes it means i will have no part in the political process, either way.
My wife and I regularly have arguments over whether it should be compulsory to 'vote' in elections. By which she means that everyone has to turn up to the ballot box and fill in a voting paper. You should have the option to abstain, or to spoil the paper, but you have to turn up.
I, on the other hand, believe that one of the freedoms (which I am not suggesting you are exercising, by the way) we should cherish is the right to be an idle bum who spends all day on the sofa eating Sugar Puff sandwiches and watching Jeremy Kyle.
I am comforted in this position by the fact that my grandfather on my father's side fought in WWII and had absolutely no time for people who said 'Did we really fight a world war so the youth of today could listen to rock music, drop out of school and chase girls.'
To which he just said 'Yes'.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo wonder he was such a fool, fighting for a lost cause!
Bruce, a Belgian, the same as Colle, oh what a glorious day! read and weep Dutchman
and all you queens gambit players!
Trust a Dutchman: all Belgians are stupid. Known fact, repeatedly tested and proven.
Richard