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Originally posted by divegeesterI see him as a victim of his own arrogance and greed.
Do you see Sam Allardyce as a victim or an exposed self-serving rule-breaker in all this?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThe only difference I see is the thief got caught trying to steal a bait car. If there was no bait car, and the next car the thief eyeballed was your car, wouldn't you feel relieved the thief was caught before he got to YOUR car?
This is my point exactly. An officer leaves keys in the ignition, in an abandoned and unlocked vehicle. Surely that is putting temptation someones way and I have a very difficult time with the ethics of such a stance, its inviting someone to commit a crime.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieOf course. And there is no defence, unless, by defence you meant something along the lines of how he might get some sympathy from his admirers in social media or in the tabloid press because they thought he was unlucky, or hard done by, or because he threw the word "entrapment" into his impromptu 'press conference' in front of his house.
I see [Sam Allardyce] as a victim of his own arrogance and greed.
Originally posted by lemon limeAgreed my Lemony friend.
The only difference I see is the thief got caught trying to steal a bait car. If there was no bait car, and the next car the thief eyeballed was your car, wouldn't you feel relieved the thief was caught before he got to YOUR car?
You're not inviting just anyone with the temptation to steal, you're targeting thieves who will steal regardless of whether th ...[text shortened]... e you normally don't see people walking down the street looking into every parked car they pass.
Originally posted by FMFAlthough it was large, I was surprised at the somewhat modest appearance of his house.
Of course. And there is no defence, unless, by defence you meant something along the lines of how he might get some sympathy from his admirers in social media or in the tabloid press because they thought he was unlucky, or hard done by, or because he threw the word "entrapment" into his impromptu 'press conference' in front of his house..
Originally posted by FMFBut your initial post on this sub-topic indicated that you were irritated by my appropriation of it. You used the 'angry' emoticon which gives me the impression that there is in fact more value to the lexification of the insight about Sam's house than you are letting on.
Actually, I wasn't all that impressed with it ~ myself ~ even when I said it, so you are welcome to whatever value you can squeeze from it.
Originally posted by divegeesterOh Sam's house this. Sam's house that. It is what it is. And you did what you did.
But your initial post on this sub-topic indicated that you were irritated by my appropriation of it. You used the 'angry' emoticon which gives me the impression that there is in fact more value to the lexification of the insight about Sam's house than you are letting on.
Originally posted by FMFI'm reminded of the scene from the movie social network where Zuckerberg, the Winklevoss twins and their lawyers are arguing about Le Zuck allegedly stealing the Voss's idea. Zuck just retorts "do you see any of your code in Facebook?" and "if you had invented Facebook, you would have invented Facebook...".
Oh Sam's house this. Sam's house that. It is what it is. And you did what you did.
Originally posted by divegeesterI am more reminded of this scene from the movie Glengarry Glen Ross:
I'm reminded of the scene from the movie social network where Zuckerberg, the Winklevoss twins and their lawyers are arguing about Le Zuck allegedly stealing the Voss's idea. Zuck just retorts "do you see any of your code in Facebook?" and "if you had invented Facebook, you would have invented Facebook...".
Originally posted by FMFHmm an interesting perspective on this incident. I would like to season that thought with a quote from the excellent disaster movie Deep Impact; President Beck, played with usual perfection by Morgan Freeman, is talking to the grabby journalist Jenny Learner who is attempting to make personal gain from what she thinks is a political scandal about one of the President's cabinet members having an affair, but the President thinks she is talking about ELE, the impending extinction level event. As she makes demands of him he reminds her of the mutuality of their situation saying:
I am more reminded of this scene from the movie Glengarry Glen Ross:
MOSS: My end is my business. Your end's twenty-five. In or out. You tell me, you're out you take the consequences.
AARONOW: I do?
MOSS: Yes.
Pause.
AARONOW: And why is that?
MOSS: Because you listened.