Big Sam is gone.

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I see him as a victim of his own arrogance and greed.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
This is my point exactly. An officer leaves keys in the ignition, in an abandoned and unlocked vehicle. Surely that is putting temptation someones way and I have a very difficult time with the ethics of such a stance, its inviting someone to commit a crime.

The only difference I see is the thief got caught trying to steal a bait car. If there was no bait car, and the next car the thief eyeballed was your car, wouldn't you feel relieved the thief was caught before he got to YOUR car?
You're not inviting just anyone with the temptation to steal, you're targeting thieves who will steal regardless of whether there is a bait car or not. And you won't be catching many (if any) one time offenders with that set up, because you normally don't see people walking down the street looking into every parked car they pass.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I see [Sam Allardyce] as a victim of his own arrogance and greed.

Of course. And there is no defence, unless, by defence you meant something along the lines of how he might get some sympathy from his admirers in social media or in the tabloid press because they thought he was unlucky, or hard done by, or because he threw the word "entrapment" into his impromptu 'press conference' in front of his house.

If you meant "defence" in that sense - then, yes, sure, he may well get some sympathy of that kind, but as a "defence" that seeks to absolve him - excuse him - or mitigate what happened - in any way ~ or to any degree - of what was exposed in the incident, as a "defence of entrapment" might do in a criminal case? Then, no. Not at all. I don't think so. I don't think you think so. I wouldn't think Sam Allardyce thinks so.

Originally posted by lemon lime
The only difference I see is the thief got caught trying to steal a bait car. If there was no bait car, and the next car the thief eyeballed was your car, wouldn't you feel relieved the thief was caught before he got to YOUR car?
You're not inviting just anyone with the temptation to steal, you're targeting thieves who will steal regardless of whether th ...[text shortened]... e you normally don't see people walking down the street looking into every parked car they pass.

Agreed my Lemony friend.

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You've taken the words right out of my mouth (and typed them here). 😠

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I still have them; used once only.

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Actually, I wasn't all that impressed with it ~ myself ~ even when I said it, so you are welcome to whatever value you can squeeze from it.

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Oh Sam's house this. Sam's house that. It is what it is. And you did what you did.

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I am more reminded of this scene from the movie Glengarry Glen Ross:

MOSS: My end is my business. Your end's twenty-five. In or out. You tell me, you're out you take the consequences.

AARONOW: I do?

MOSS: Yes.

Pause.

AARONOW: And why is that?

MOSS: Because you listened.