20 Sep 07
I was thinking to myself, we should show a gesture of goodwill and allow him back onto the website.
After all, we live in a society bounded by rules but with the underlying principle that a man can change and become a better person when those rules are applied to him.
I think he has done his time now and is ready to be rehabilitated into the world of red hot pawn.
Who is with me?
20 Sep 07
Originally posted by TyrannosauruschexIronMan31.
I was thinking to myself, we should show a gesture of goodwill and allow him back onto the website.
After all, we live in a society bounded by rules but with the underlying principle that a man can change and become a better person when those rules are applied to him.
I think he has done his time now and is ready to be rehabilitated into the world of red hot pawn.
Who is with me?
Who's to say he has changed; how do you know he won't just come back and cheat again? He's broken the circle of trust and paid the price.
Also, why just him? What about all the other players that have cheated, should they be allowed back too?
20 Sep 07
Originally posted by Daemon SinHe was the first to be removed so he has had to suffer the longest without being able to play on red hot pawn.
IronMan31.
Who's to say he has changed; how do you know he won't just come back and cheat again? He's broken the circle of trust and paid the price.
Also, why just him? What about all the other players that have cheated, should they be allowed back too?
Also he was like a figurehead for the site, everybody wanted to be him and if you ever thought of the site he was its defining feature.
No one would be dumb enough to break the rules twice, I am sure he would still be quite a strong 2100+ player even without the machine.
In time, maybe, some other players could be allowed back - I just think it is better to allow people back with their original names in case they just keep making new ones and getting banned, at least then you have something to keep check on.
20 Sep 07
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Originally posted by TyrannosauruschexDo you know something we don't?
I am sure he would still be quite a strong 2100+ player even without the machine.
He's most probably a 1200 rated player who can use computers reasonably well - in fact like any other schoolkid.
He plays along with loads of the other banned cheats at "that other site" - all still cheating each other and themselves. ROFL.
20 Sep 07
Originally posted by TyrannosauruschexI don't know how people come to the totally unfounded conclusion that he was anything but a patzer with fritz. and if you take a look at the gameknot top10, it's obvious that he's just taken the fritzing there. cheaters are cheaters are cheaters.
No one would be dumb enough to break the rules twice, I am sure he would still be quite a strong 2100+ player even without the machine.
20 Sep 07
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveI actually don't think that he is a weak player. I think he is a strong player who used chess programs for assistance. He didn't know the rules or ignored them. It seems that a few CC organizations allow the use of engines. I have found an interesting article about that:
Do you know something we don't?
He's most probably a 1200 rated player who can use computers reasonably well - in fact like any other schoolkid.
He plays along with loads of the other banned cheats at "that other site" - all still cheating each other and themselves. ROFL.
http://www.correspondencechess.com/campbell/articles/a050531.htm
20 Sep 07
Originally posted by gambit05Dude - sort out the beard!
http://www.correspondencechess.com/campbell/articles/a050531.htm
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"Chess engine use seems to be here to stay. I think if ICCF changed the rules to prohibit the use of chess engines there would be a lot of unhappy players. Chess engines are practically addictive. Many players enjoy the use of chess engines. Others have grown to depend on them. Others enjoy the high level of play possible with the use of chess engines. Others say, "I quit". To save correspondence chess do we need to find a way to remove the chess computer from competition? Or shall we just adapt to the use of computers and accept the inevitable demise of competitive correspondence chess?"
sounds like the age old debate about drug use:
Drugs seems to be here to stay. I think if ICCF changed the rules to prohibit the use of drugs there would be a lot of unhappy players. Drugs are practically addictive. Many players enjoy the use of drugs. Others have grown to depend on them. Others enjoy the high level of play possible with the use of drugs. Others say, "I quit". To save correspondence chess do we need to find a way to remove the drugs from competition? Or shall we just adapt to the use of drugs and accept the inevitable demise of competitive correspondence chess?
20 Sep 07
Originally posted by rhbI do not support engine use in any way. I just found this article interesting. For example the part:
Dude - sort out the beard!
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"Chess engine use seems to be here to stay. I think if ICCF changed the rules to prohibit the use of chess engines there would be a lot of unhappy players. Chess engines are practically addictive. Many players enjoy the use of chess engines. Others have grown to depend on them. Others enjoy the high level of play possible wi ...[text shortened]... to the use of drugs and accept the inevitable demise of competitive correspondence chess?
Why do people use chess engines?
To "blunder check" … i.e., to avoid making obvious tactical errors leading to immediate loss. Some argue that using computers remove the outright blunder from the game and elevate the quality of play.
To maximize results ... competitors simply wish to play as well as possible, and if they can improve by using a chess engine then they'll do it.
To level the playing field … if their opponents are using computers, then they must, also, in order not to give their opponents an advantage. Note that this concept is independent of the rules of play. In many cases players assume their opponents are using computers, whatever the rules may say.
Because it is fun … many players actively enjoy interacting with their computers to find the best moves/lines.
Because it is fast and easy … instead of spending time preparing a response, they can respond by using a computer move knowing they are probably not throwing away the game. They can make an "adequate" move with no effort, very useful when other things are occupying their time.
Because the players are lazy … no additional comment needed.
Because they like to have an edge … using a computer in an organization forbidding using one will give them an advantage over their opponents who play legally.
20 Sep 07
Originally posted by TyrannosauruschexHe was the 4th member to be removed for engine use. There are plenty of other sites that he can play on where he can cheat all he likes. If he wanted to play here he shouldn't have broken the ToS agreement.
He was the first to be removed so he has had to suffer the longest without being able to play on red hot pawn.
Also he was like a figurehead for the site, everybody wanted to be him and if you ever thought of the site he was its defining feature.
No one would be dumb enough to break the rules twice, I am sure he would still be quite a strong 2 ...[text shortened]... just keep making new ones and getting banned, at least then you have something to keep check on.
Everyone on the site wants to be him? You mean a disgraced and banned engine user. That not exactly idol material. There are plenty of better players than him on the site that don't need Fritz to get their rating. Perhaps you should start looking up to them instead.
Allowing people back is a ridiculous idea; it just means even more work for the moderation teams. All the banned users have proven their lack of integrity and respect for all the other site members, I imagine most people here are glad they've gone for good.
20 Sep 07
Originally posted by Dr StrangeloveAccording to Cludi, he is actually a VERY good player and an FIDE arbiter.
Do you know something we don't?
He's most probably a 1200 rated player who can use computers reasonably well - in fact like any other schoolkid.
He plays along with loads of the other banned cheats at "that other site" - all still cheating each other and themselves. ROFL.