31 Dec 11
Over seven Christmas days, 14 people have met violent deaths in Britain. Could there be a sorrier reflection of our "civilized" society. Just a few decades ago any murder was front page news. Now there are so many brutal killings that they have become almost commonplace. This Christmas - supposedly a time of peace and goodwill - seems to have been particularly violent, with no fewer than 14 murders across the country in the past week.
Anyone join me in uprooting to Goa?
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I don't think it's that bad over here at all. If we got rid of London and Glasgow (the murder capital of Europe) 😲, they'd hardly be any murders at all. Look the the following info: -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Britain may have a worse murder rate than a lot of our Western Europe counterparts, but it's only by a flea's knackers and when you compare that to the greater scheme of things, the difference is negligible.
The British press has always been guilty of crying 'murder, bloody murder' and statistics can be made to tell whatever story you want them to.
31 Dec 11
Originally posted by jimslyp69Glasgow is the friendliest city in Europe!
I don't think it's that bad over here at all. If we got rid of London and Glasgow (the murder capital of Europe) 😲, they'd hardly be any murders at all. Look the the following info: -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Britain may have a worse murder rate than a lot of our Western Europe counterparts, but it' ...[text shortened]... urder, bloody murder' and statistics can be made to tell whatever story you want them to.
31 Dec 11
Originally posted by jimslyp69I suppose what you are saying is that murder is just part of modern life, so get over it.
I don't think it's that bad over here at all. If we got rid of London and Glasgow (the murder capital of Europe) 😲, they'd hardly be any murders at all. Look the the following info: -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Britain may have a worse murder rate than a lot of our Western Europe counterparts, but it' ...[text shortened]... urder, bloody murder' and statistics can be made to tell whatever story you want them to.
And you'd be right. It's just that boring old farts like me lament the passing of innocence, and we yearn for the moral, spiritual and ethical standards of former days.
I would gladly dump London and Glasgow, but that would simply move the problems elsewhere to
Birmingham, Liverpool, Manchester etc.
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31 Dec 11
Originally posted by ROGER THE DODGERThere's a name i haven't seen in a while.
It's a sad reflection on Modern day Britain, where the only thing that seems to matter to many is money 🙁 An odd thing that there is far,far too much of it that they actually are at a loss to know how to spend it, loan it etc etc and yet...so many have so little of it 🙁
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31 Dec 11
Originally posted by jimslyp69To be fair there will be high risk areas within the poorer distrusts in major cities in those countries, outside of that (which are easily avoided) it's probably just as safe as the UK. Certainly Colombia, walk around the streets of the smaller cities and towns, even Cali and you wonder how its murder rate is go high... wonder around some streets, hell most streets in Bogota and you wonder how it's only #8 in that list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
31 Dec 11
Originally posted by Trev33The industrial revolution has a lot to answer for 😠
To be fair there will be high risk areas within the poorer distrusts in major cities in those countries, outside of that (which are easily avoided) it's probably just as safe as the UK. Certainly Colombia, walk around the streets of the smaller cities and towns, even Cali and you wonder how its murder rate is go high... wonder around some streets, hell most streets in Bogota and you wonder how it's only #8 in that list.
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Originally posted by jimslyp69Are we a more civilized society now than, say, 500 years ago? That well known man of letters, Ozzy Osbourne observes: we think we're civilized and sophisticated, but we're just cavemen with mobile phones and nicer clothes.
The industrial revolution has a lot to answer for 😠
And I have to agree with him!
Apart from obvious advances in education, health and personal wealth, I defy anyone to put a cogent case forward to support the thesis that we are now more civilized.
31 Dec 11
Originally posted by Pianoman1That all depends on how you define civilized. About the only way to work it out would be statistically. Compare current crime rates with historical ones.
Are we a more civilized society now than, say, 500 years ago? That well known man of letters, Ozzy Osbourne observes: we think we're civilized and sophisticated, but we're just cavemen with mobile phones and nicer clothes.
And I have to agree with him!
Apart from obvious advances in education, health and personal wealth, I defy anyone to put a cogent case forward to support the thesis that we are now more civilized.
People used to be controlled by the church and the fear of God. Now they are controlled mainly by materialistic means, although religion still plays a hand in it. Either way, they still have to be controlled to tame the beast inside. We are savages by nature.
One last point - we don't publicly execute, torture or degrade people any more and deem this sort of thing as unacceptible (on the whole), we also have human rights in place even for prisoners, rapists, murderers etc.
There will always be savages in our society as this is how they are brought into the world, what they are taught and all that they know. I think on the whole that our society and systems are on the whole more civilised. You just can't reach every single person, it's not possible.