Originally posted by NordlysThat is a problem. There is a judgement made, not a trial, although I read elsewhere that Exy did know he was 'at risk' and PM'd Russ some evidence in his favour.
The problem is, there is no public gallery at RHP, or a trial for that matter.
The problem with making this a public process is that it is possible for users with a bit of charisma to build up a relatively big following quite quickly, from a group of strangers who have little way of proving their own credentials, let alone anothers (excepting close friends/family or those who have met personally since 'meeting' online here).
For example - I'm Andy, I'm 28, I have a steady job. my own place and a pet cat called Rodney. I like running, beer, and all kinds of music.
Now - find someone who can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the above is a 100% genuine description of me. I know about 6 players on this site that could, although I don't think any of them post in these forums, and how am I supposed to prove my relationship to them to the game mods / other site users?
Anyway, in the event of a public trial the mods would then face a more difficult task as the number of character witnesses and counter arguments put forward from these supporters of the accused would spiral to the point where the trial could never end.
We have to trust that users are who they say they are and are behaving in an appropriate manner, but we have to trust the Mods more.
Originally posted by invigorateBut if you cheat in 5 games out of 30, you're still cheating. Showing another game where there isn't a high match (and whatever other criteria the mods use, I know this isn't the only one) isn't terribly good evidence that someone is not cheating.
I don't agree. this a dangerous slope. And in actual fact the banned are only getting chucked off a chess site.
But: If say game mod showed 5 games where there was a high match to an engine. Someone else could find 25 games where the same players match was low.
The arguements would get deeper. The mods would have an even harder job. If Mods are to work, they must be gods. We must trust them.
People who commit fraud don't do it every single bank transaction.
And the one fact that seems to escape everyone is....
This is not your site. When you run a chess site, you are perfectly welcome to run it the way you see fit. And the odds are, you'll eventually come to the same conclusions about 'showing proof'.
The bottom line here is, if you don't like the way this site is run, and it somehow distracts so much from the enjoyment you get from the chess, then blow.
Originally posted by RagnorakRag, of course they are not gods.
Unfortunately, they are not gods. They are very well intentioned, volunteer chess players of varying skill, who have undertaken a job that only a god could perform perfectly.
D
But IMHO the game mods should not be active players.
I mean, players related in any way to this site.
If not, that makes them judges and part.
I heartedly reject any decision made by the game mods' team up today (and their decisions to come).
For me, they lack *any* kind of moral authority.
But Russ is omnipotent. of course.
Sigh.
Regards
-J
P.S.: this can be my last post bedore Im banned 🙂
But NO ONE can't shut my mouth.
edit: poor grammar. Oh well, it remains poor, lol...
I know I wouldn't want cheaters to learn from past cheaters mistakes. So I think the evidence shouldn't be discussed. Accusations of cheaters should not be made public, I think it ruins the gameplay for the rest of us. I know Russ doesn't enjoy abusing his power and the mods were put there for a reason, so for whatever reasons, Exy deserved to be banned from RHP. Like it or not Exy was caught cheating.
i would like the mods to have the flexibility of power to, at their choice, either
1 - ban and delete accounts with no trial and no public explanation,
or at other times:
2 - punish with no trial but give more details of why,
3 - have a trial calling for public or private defence of the accused, before punishment or acquittal.
different accounts and people call for different measures.
I'm really really curious about why Exy. I really don't find (In my point of view) *points at Exy* a cheater..
I'd love from the mods to show us atleast some evidence! Come on u ought to change the rules somehow.. Just look at the fuss going on.
Please take us all out of our misery.. It's really ashame about what goes on in here when someone gets banned.. 🙁
Originally posted by flexmoreWhen you sign up to play here you agree that you can be banned at discretion.
i would like the mods to have the flexibility of power to, at their choice, [b]either
1 - ban and delete accounts with no trial and no public explanation,
or at other times:
2 - punish with no trial but give more details of why,
3 - have a trial calling for public or private defence of the accused, before punishment or acquittal.
different accounts and people call for different measures.[/b]
If one day you wake up and find out you can't log on and use a friend's computer to find out you have been banned for cheating, even if you damn well know you haven't; tough.
Find somewhere else to play.
Not so long ago a whole class of users got the boot for being underage. Did they do anything wrong? Nope. They got booted as a result of what some adults did. Is this fair? Nope.
Life goes on.
Originally posted by KneverKnightWell if so, Exy's chart blows my theories to hell and gone.
When you sign up to play here you agree that you can be banned at discretion.
If one day you wake up and find out you can't log on and use a friend's computer to find out you have been banned for cheating, even if you damn well know you haven't; tough.
Find somewhere else to play.
Not so long ago a whole class of users got the boot for being under ...[text shortened]... g? Nope. They got booted as a result of what some adults did. Is this fair? Nope.
Life goes on.
His profile chart looks like a lot of people's charts, not anything like
the IM or Yozzer chart. I would like to know what engine/comp
combo that would produce a chart that looks all too human.
Originally posted by sonhouseNo idea. I suspect the mods think they caught an occasional engine user who raised his rating to get some respect.
Well if so, Exy's chart blows my theories to hell and gone.
His profile chart looks like a lot of people's charts, not anything like
the IM or Yozzer chart. I would like to know what engine/comp
combo that would produce a chart that looks all too human.
Originally posted by SuzianneYou flunked out of finishing school, didn't you? 🙂
And the one fact that seems to escape everyone is....
This is not [b]your site. When you run a chess site, you are perfectly welcome to run it the way you see fit. And the odds are, you'll eventually come to the same conclusions about 'showing proof'.
The bottom line here is, if you don't like the way this site is run, and it somehow distracts so much from the enjoyment you get from the chess, then blow.[/b]
Originally posted by rhbYour cat has a cool name
That is a problem. There is a judgement made, not a trial, although I read elsewhere that Exy did know he was 'at risk' and PM'd Russ some evidence in his favour.
The problem with making this a public process is that it is possible for users with a bit of charisma to build up a relatively big following quite quickly, from a group of strangers who have litt ...[text shortened]... they say they are and are behaving in an appropriate manner, but we have to trust the Mods more.