Originally posted by Suziannei agree
And the one fact that seems to escape everyone is....
This is not [b]your site. When you run a chess site, you are perfectly welcome to run it the way you see fit. And the odds are, you'll eventually come to the same conclusions about 'showing proof'.
The bottom line here is, if you don't like the way this site is run, and it somehow distracts so much from the enjoyment you get from the chess, then blow.[/b]
Originally posted by KneverKnightThis is my problem with the banning. We haven't been privy to the evidence but if it was on the basis of occasional (suspected) cheating in a few games where there was some 90% correlation with an engine, then I have a problem. Some days you're going to play that way, others not. There needs to be consistent and damning evidence and the balance of probability has to be set very high. The question is, will the evidence stand up in a court of law if it came to that?
No idea. I suspect the mods think they caught an occasional engine user who raised his rating to get some respect.
Originally posted by buffalobillIt is the user tag that is being defamed. No personal details are given by the site admins as per data protection regulation.
It could come to that if the person feels he's been defamed. Unlikely, but I think that's got to be the acid test.
This kinda relates back to why it is difficult to prove any users credentials.
Originally posted by AmauroteOh, I don't know. Liberal democracy is getting pretty thin on the ground in some areas. But that's probably a topic for a different thread altogether! 😉
I couldn't care less if the Mods ban us all, denounce us as cheats and dance like naked dervishes around a slowly-burning child sacrifice as the clock strikes twelve: it's a chess site on the Internet, not the last bastion of liberal democracy in the West.
If someone plays 1 person and cheats, that person would probably want him booted....I would.
It would be fairly simple to make ones graph/chart thingy look normal but not so simple to evade deeper investigation.
Have the defenders of the alleged cheats gone through all the games or just their own with them, I wonder.
Originally posted by invigorateI don't know how the mods measure whether someone is cheating, but it probably comes down to statistics. If the chance that a person could come up with the moves they did by themselves is so low that it's highly unlikely, that will no doubt get taken into consideration. If this happens on multiple games, it increases the sample size thus there's a higher confidence level.
But: If say game mod showed 5 games where there was a high match to an engine. Someone else could find 25 games where the same players match was low.
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If the chance of a false positive is really low because it's highly unlikely that a real human being would play moves that resemble a chess engine so closely, then the appearance of this type of pattern in 5 games is likely to count for something even if there are 25 other games where no such pattern has emerged. In other words, if the chance of a thus-identified game being legit is very low, then 5 vs 25 provides more certainty than say 4 vs 20, due to considerations of sample size.