Originally posted by wormwoodWhen the report placed before the COP15 conference was peer reviewed, the assertion that the Himalayan glaciers would disappear by 2035 was found to be incorrect. When Dr. Pachauri, the head of U.N. climate change research, was informed of this, he refused to change the report and submitted it to the conference. This sort of behaviour discredits the whole of the " man made climate change" lobby.
the miracle of peer review happens as follows: you write a detailed article describing how you got to your conclusions. then a bunch of experts on the same field review it, to make sure proper methodology is used. if the methodology is found lacking, they ask the writer to clarify the points. if he can't spit out proper science, the study doesn't get publis ...[text shortened]... ed. if he can, it gets published. at no point are opinions considered, only sound methodology.
Originally posted by acb123here's what really happened:
When the report placed before the COP15 conference was peer reviewed, the assertion that the Himalayan glaciers would disappear by 2035 was found to be incorrect. When Dr. Pachauri, the head of U.N. climate change research, was informed of this, he refused to change the report and submitted it to the conference. This sort of behaviour discredits the whole of the " man made climate change" lobby.
"Professor Hasnain confirmed that he had given an interview to Fred Pearce, of New Scientist, when he was still working for Jawaharlal Nehru University in 1999. “I said that small glaciers in the eastern and central Himalaya are declining at an alarming rate and in the next 40-50 years they may lose substantial mass,” he said. “That means they will shrink in area and mass. To which the journalist has assigned a date and reported it in his own way.” Mr Pearce was not immediately available for comment. "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6994774.ece
then that piece of journalism somehow slipped into the report unverified. errors sometimes happen. but it didn't change anything about the certainty of it happening. it's been an observable fact for decades already, not hypothesis.
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Originally posted by orion25Aside from that it has always and will always occur. It's just a matter of timing. Will "we" learn from what we're doing? If history of human nature is any indication then no but "man" won't be here much longer anyway if for no other reason his/her inability to really reason. It may take a few tens of thousands of years, a blink in time, but it will happen.
Not at this rate no. It usually takes centuries just to go up or down 1ºC. We are experiencing that change every couple of years now.
Originally posted by wormwoodErrors do sometimes happen, but they always seem to bolster the man made climate change theory. I don't have a set view on this, I read some of what's available from both sides, but what I am uncomfortable with is the vested interests being protected by both sides. You mentioned the oil companies, but on the other side, Dr. Pauchuri works for Tetri, a research company owned by Tata Industries, who have invested heavily in alternative energies and renewable energy sources. Human nature being what it is, he is hardly going to publish reports that damage their interests and his opulent lifestyle. You need a large pinch of salt when reading any of the published data, both for and against.
here's what really happened:
"Professor Hasnain confirmed that he had given an interview to Fred Pearce, of New Scientist, when he was still working for Jawaharlal Nehru University in 1999. “I said that small glaciers in the eastern and central Himalaya are declining at an alarming rate and in the next 40-50 years they may lose substantial mass,” he said ...[text shortened]... ertainty of it happening. it's been an observable fact for decades already, not hypothesis.
Originally posted by acb123just about as much salt as with gravity.
Errors do sometimes happen, but they always seem to bolster the man made climate change theory. I don't have a set view on this, I read some of what's available from both sides, but what I am uncomfortable with is the vested interests being protected by both sides. You mentioned the oil companies, but on the other side, Dr. Pauchuri works for Tetri, a researc ...[text shortened]... . You need a large pinch of salt when reading any of the published data, both for and against.
What's laughable about the whole Henny Penny movement, is how those leading the charge are so cock-sure of the general masses' deplorable short-term memory storage, they can confidently put forth just about any type of claptrap on such a regular basis.
Thirty years ago, 'scientists' of the same ilk were purposing all manner of 'helps' in order to help stave off global cooling, including this doozie: lay down a blanket of coal over the polar ice in order to speed up its melt rate.
The simple and only fact of the matter is, this is about power. Al Gore found himself marginalized by the powers-that-be and found his bus. The cadre of humans-are-earth's-blighters saw the golden opportunity and found their Rosa Parks.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHonce it was thought G = gmM/r². it couldn't explain why the inner planets stayed on their orbits without plunging into the sun, but it was the best knowledge available. then somebody came up with the idea of space bending in heavier gravity, an amazingly unintuitive phenomenom, and lo & behold, the inner planets followed exactly the orbits of the new theory. - not at all unlike what has happened with our understanding of the extremely dynamic and massive thermal system of earth.
What's laughable about the whole Henny Penny movement, is how those leading the charge are so cock-sure of the general masses' deplorable short-term memory storage, they can confidently put forth just about any type of claptrap on such a regular basis.
Thirty years ago, 'scientists' of the same ilk were purposing all manner of 'helps' in order to help s ...[text shortened]... re of humans-are-earth's-blighters saw the golden opportunity and found their Rosa Parks.
scientific progress. please keep up.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHIsn't Luddism ludicrous?
What's laughable about the whole Henny Penny movement, is how those leading the charge are so cock-sure of the general masses' deplorable short-term memory storage, they can confidently put forth just about any type of claptrap on such a regular basis.
Thirty years ago, 'scientists' of the same ilk were purposing all manner of 'helps' in order to help s ...[text shortened]... re of humans-are-earth's-blighters saw the golden opportunity and found their Rosa Parks.
Originally posted by orion25Rapid climate change is actually a well documented natural phenomenon. Ice ages tend to start very slowly but end rapidly. You might say they start with a whimper but end with a bang. At the end of the last cold phase of the last glaciation (the Younger Dryas) global mean surface temperature is thought to have risen by up to ten degrees (that's celsius not fahrenheit) in as little as ten years, a degree per year. That far exceeds the rate of change we are seeing today. The observed temperature change over the one hundred years of the twentieth century was 0.75 degree. I am more used to working out what was driving climate before humans so I'll leave it to others to decide what the cause and consequence of 0.75 degrees per century is.
Not at this rate no. It usually takes centuries just to go up or down 1ºC. We are experiencing that change every couple of years now.
Originally posted by wormwoodThere is science, and then there is power-grabbing. Do learn to tell the difference between the two, won't you?
once it was thought G = gmM/r². it couldn't explain why the inner planets stayed on their orbits without plunging into the sun, but it was the best knowledge available. then somebody came up with the idea of space bending in heavier gravity, an amazingly unintuitive phenomenom, and lo & behold, the inner planets followed exactly the orbits of the new ...[text shortened]... extremely dynamic and massive thermal system of earth.
scientific progress. please keep up.