Originally posted by no1marauderThe Big Ten managed to win one has Wisconsin eked out a win at Fresno State. Purdue blew a 20-3 lead and lost at home to Oregon. The showcase teams, OSU and Michigan, got crushed.
Next week will be a good one to judge the lameness of the Big Ten. Besides the OSU at USC game (where the expectations are so low for the Buckeyes now that if they lose by 2 touchdowns the usual Big Ten supporters here will be crowing about how great they played), you have Wisconsin at tough mid-major Fresno State, Michigan at Notre Dame (though the Iris ...[text shortened]... an Diego State) and Oregon at Purdue. Will the Big Ten win any of those games? Maybe. Maybe not.
Add to that that Illinois barely beat Louisiana-Lafayette at home and the verdict is in: LAME!
Originally posted by whodeyCharley at least taught his guys to hang on to the football, a skill Rich Rodriguez apparently doesn't believe is very important judging by the Wolverines' 7 fumbles yesterday.
Ok then, how about basing on the fact that Charley Weiss is their coach? The coach for UM is not all that great but at least he seems more competent than his adversary.
The Irish should move into the top 25 with this win and their schedule is rather weak for a Notre Dame team. If they can win at Michigan State next week and home against Purdue the following one, they stand a decent chance of being unbeaten when they face USC on November 29. Even if they lose that one big (which seems probable) a 1 loss ND team would be a virtual certainty for a BCS bowl.
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Originally posted by EladarLook at their schedule and tell me what games they are likely to lose, wiseass. http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamSchedule?categoryId=86126
Notre Dame in a BCS bowl this year? You are definitely without a clue.
Michigan was probably their toughest opponent (except for USC, of course) and they won handily.
Originally posted by no1marauderThe BCS ranking uses a strength of schedule variable when calculating ranking (I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that I am not). I think it would be pretty tough for them to get into a BCS game. Not impossible, but tough.
Look at their schedule and tell me what games they are likely to lose, wiseass. http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamSchedule?categoryId=86126
Michigan was probably their toughest opponent (except for USC, of course) and they won handily.
Originally posted by no1marauderActually, I took a look at their schedule and there are at least 4 teams the could and one team that will beat them.
Look at their schedule and tell me what games they are likely to lose, wiseass. http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/teamSchedule?categoryId=86126
Michigan was probably their toughest opponent (except for USC, of course) and they won handily.
Purdue, North Carolina, BC and Washington could beat them. USC will beat them.
If they run the table they will be in the National Championship game. If they only lose to SC they will definitely play in a BCS game.
I think your assertion that Michigan was their toughest opponent was erroneous. Michigan, pretty much sucks.
They took strength of schedule out of the mix after USC missed the MNC due to its strength of schedule.
The Domers will lose a couple of games this year. San Diego State really sucks and the Domers had to come back to win that one.
The BCS is decided by votes. The Domers are not considered a top level team. If they do make it into the top 10, then it will take alot of behind the scenes pressure for them to be chosen.
Originally posted by EladarThis is how the BCS is calculated currently:
They took strength of schedule out of the mix after USC missed the MNC due to its strength of schedule.
The Domers will lose a couple of games this year. San Diego State really sucks and the Domers had to come back to win that one.
The BCS is decided by votes. The Domers are not considered a top level team. If they do make it into the top 10, then it will take alot of behind the scenes pressure for them to be chosen.
* AP Poll: A team's AP Poll number is the percentage of the possible points it could receive in the poll. As an example, in the final regular-season poll of 2003, LSU received a total of 1,580 out of a possible 1,625 points from the voters, giving them an AP Poll percentage of 97.2.
* Coaches' Poll: This is calculated in the same manner as the AP Poll number. For LSU, their final regular-season number in this poll would have been 99.4 (1,516 out of 1,525 possible points).
* Computer Average: The BCS used six ranking systems, with the New York Times opting not to participate. In the calculation, the highest and lowest ranking for each team are dropped. Then, it will give a team 25 points for a Number 1 ranking in an individual system, 24 points for Number 2, and so on down to 1 point. Each team's set of numbers is then added, conveniently making the number compatible with the percentages from the two polls. To address concerns about loss of the schedule strength factor, the description of the computer rankings explicitly included schedule strength as a consideration.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series
Originally posted by EladarThey may not be considered a top team at the moment ( and few people are happier about that than I ) but if they run the table up to the SC game they will be in the top 10, if not top 5.
They took strength of schedule out of the mix after USC missed the MNC due to its strength of schedule.
The Domers will lose a couple of games this year. San Diego State really sucks and the Domers had to come back to win that one.
The BCS is decided by votes. The Domers are not considered a top level team. If they do make it into the top 10, then it will take alot of behind the scenes pressure for them to be chosen.
For that to happen, the teams above them would have to lose.
Notre Dame isn't going to get many votes simply for being Notre Dame. There are way too many "name" schools above them with perfect records to make that claim about the Domers.
Here is the latest Coaches Poll: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/usatpoll.htm
As far as the SoS goes, the computers have always taken that into consideration.
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Originally posted by no1marauderPurdue looked tough against a ranked Oregon team. I don't think ND can beat them. As for the Michigan game, if it were not for the turn overs I think that would be an entirely different outcome to that game. I know, because I watched it. Michigan fumbled the first two kick offs deep in their own territory and ND then got two quick easy TD's. Then on top of it, they had 4 additional turn overs.
Charley at least taught his guys to hang on to the football, a skill Rich Rodriguez apparently doesn't believe is very important judging by the Wolverines' 7 fumbles yesterday.
The Irish should move into the top 25 with this win and their schedule is rather weak for a Notre Dame team. If they can win at Michigan State next week and home a ...[text shortened]... t one big (which seems probable) a 1 loss ND team would be a virtual certainty for a BCS bowl.
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Originally posted by no1marauderOk now I'm scared. You and I are beginning to agree. Even my Buckeyes on their worst day could not score 50 points on UCLA. In addition, they shut them out!!
I think they are a Top Ten team now; there's no way you can minimize their destruction of UCLA which beat a good SEC team last week. It will be interesting to see how the Vols do against Florida and Auburn in the weeks ahead. Win one of those and BYU's crushing of UCLA will look even more impressive.
BYU might go undefeated, but they h ...[text shortened]... d of the season. Those two teams meet this week in what should be a good and interesting game.
No doubt they will be one of those teams begging to get into a BCS game but will probably get snubbed. In addition, they will probably match up USC against Penn State in the NCG assuming Penn State runs the tables which I think they probably will. Then USC will destroy them and will dance around saying how great they all are once again.
Hey, USC, there are other teams to play in BCS bowls other than easy Big Ten teams you know?
Originally posted by CliffLandinWashington lost by about 100 at home to Oklahoma and Purdue blew it (also at home) against Oregon. It's possible any of those teams "could" beat them, but I tend to think their road game against Michigan State game is their toughest test now before USC.
Actually, I took a look at their schedule and there are at least 4 teams the could and one team that will beat them.
Purdue, North Carolina, BC and Washington could beat them. USC will beat them.
If they run the table they will be in the National Championship game. If they only lose to SC they will definitely play in a BCS game.
I think your assertion that Michigan was their toughest opponent was erroneous. Michigan, pretty much sucks.
I admit I'm surprised by how little play ND got in the national polls; last year's poor season seems to be staying with them. However, if they continue to win they'll be ranked soon. Even if they lose one other game besides the USC game, I wouldn't put it beyond the realm of possibility that they wind up 8th or better in the final BCS rankings which would assure them a BCS bowl.
Originally posted by no1marauderIt may be because they struggled against San Diego State, a team that lost to Cal Poly. They aren't consistent, but it is too early to really be sure. They may just play down to the level of their competition. Don't count out Washington. They lost by 1 point to a team that beat UCLA 59 - 0 (although they did get spanked by Oregon and a really good Oklahoma team). It is way too early to know which ND team is going to be on the field. It will be fun to see. I really think both NC and BC will give them a good game, if not a little spanking.
Washington lost by about 100 at home to Oklahoma and Purdue blew it (also at home) against Oregon. It's possible any of those teams "could" beat them, but I tend to think their road game against Michigan State game is their toughest test now before USC.
I admit I'm surprised by how little play ND got in the national polls; last year's po ...[text shortened]... they wind up 8th or better in the final BCS rankings which would assure them a BCS bowl.